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Fatima Al-Sayed

What US taxes do non-residents have to pay when owning or selling US company stocks?

I'm a non-US resident who recently started investing in some American companies (Tesla, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Netflix) and I'm planning to expand my portfolio over time. I'm confused about what taxes I might owe to the US government. What US taxes, if any, am I required to pay just for owning these stocks? And what about when I eventually sell them for hopefully a profit? My country doesn't have any tax treaty with the US, which I think makes things more complicated. I've tried searching online but keep finding contradictory information. Any help would be greatly appreciated since I want to make sure I'm complying with all US tax laws!

The main tax concern for non-residents owning US stocks is dividend withholding tax. Since you're in a country without a tax treaty, the standard 30% withholding tax applies to any dividends paid by US companies. This is automatically withheld by your broker before you receive the dividends. For capital gains (profit when you sell the stocks), most non-residents actually don't have to pay US taxes on these. The exception would be if you spend significant time in the US or if your investment is considered "effectively connected" with a US trade or business, which doesn't sound like your situation. You don't need to file a US tax return just for owning or selling stocks, unless you meet certain other criteria like having a US trade or business. However, you may need to report the income and any US taxes already paid in your home country.

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Thanks for the info! So if I understand correctly, I only get taxed on dividends but not when I sell for profit? My broker is non-US based, so how does the dividend withholding actually work in practice? Do they automatically take out 30% or do I need to file something?

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For dividends, yes, the 30% withholding happens automatically. Your broker will withhold it before sending you the remaining 70%, even if they're not US-based. They have agreements with US clearing houses that require this withholding. For selling stocks, you're correct. Most non-residents don't pay US capital gains tax on stock sales unless they have substantial presence in the US (generally 183+ days) or the income is connected to a US business. Your local tax authorities may still want their share of your profits though!

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Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - if your ownership in US companies exceeds 5% of the company, different rules apply. Also, be aware of PFIC (Passive Foreign Investment Company) rules if you're investing in mutual funds or ETFs rather than individual stocks. I found this out the hard way after buying into some ETFs that held US stocks, thinking the tax treatment would be the same. It wasn't, and the reporting requirements were much more complex. Stick to direct stock ownership if you want to keep things simple.

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Could you clarify about the ETFs? I'm currently investing in VOO (Vanguard S&P 500) as a non-resident. Are you saying this is treated differently than owning the individual stocks directly? What reporting would I need to do?

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For non-US residents, US-domiciled ETFs like VOO are generally treated the same as individual US stocks - you'll face the 30% dividend withholding tax but typically no capital gains tax. The PFIC rules I mentioned generally apply when US persons invest in non-US funds. However, there's another consideration - some brokers won't even allow non-US residents to purchase US-domiciled ETFs due to regulations. You might want to check if your holdings comply with your broker's policies. Some non-US investors use Irish-domiciled ETFs that track US indices as an alternative since they can reduce the dividend withholding to 15% due to the US-Ireland tax treaty.

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Just want to add from personal experience - keep good records of all the dividend withholding tax you pay to the US! Even without a tax treaty, many countries allow you to claim some form of credit or deduction for foreign taxes paid to avoid double taxation. I've been investing in US stocks for 5+ years from a non-treaty country, and I made the mistake of not tracking this carefully at first. Had to go back through years of statements to figure it out when filing my local taxes. Your broker statements should show the gross dividend and the amount withheld.

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Do you just need the year-end statement from your broker or should I be saving each individual dividend payment record? My broker (Interactive Brokers) provides some tax forms but I'm not sure if they're sufficient.

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Your broker's year-end tax summary should be sufficient for most purposes, but I'd recommend keeping quarterly statements as backup. Interactive Brokers is pretty good about providing detailed tax reporting - they should show you the gross dividends received and the US tax withheld. The key document you'll want is their annual tax statement which breaks down all your dividend income and withholding by country. This makes it much easier when you're filing your home country taxes and claiming foreign tax credits. I learned this lesson after spending hours trying to reconstruct my dividend history from monthly statements!

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One thing I'd add is to be careful about the timing of your stock sales if you do visit the US for business or vacation. The "substantial presence test" mentioned earlier counts days spent in the US over a 3-year period with a weighted formula (current year days count fully, prior year days count 1/3, two years ago count 1/6). If you accidentally trigger this test (183+ days under the formula), you could become liable for US capital gains tax on your stock sales. I almost got caught by this when I had several extended business trips to the US. You can file Form 8840 to claim you're still a tax resident of your home country, but it's paperwork you want to avoid if possible. Just something to keep in mind as you expand your portfolio - track your US visits if you travel there occasionally for work or leisure!

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This is really helpful - I had no idea about the substantial presence test! I'm planning to visit the US for a conference next year and was worried it might complicate things. So if I understand correctly, as long as I stay under 183 days using that weighted formula, I should be fine and won't owe capital gains tax on my stock sales? And the Form 8840 is like a backup option if I do exceed the threshold but can prove I'm still a tax resident of my home country?

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Exactly right! The substantial presence test uses that weighted formula, so a short conference trip shouldn't be an issue. Just to clarify the math: if you spent 10 days in the US this year, 15 days last year, and 20 days two years ago, your calculation would be: 10 + (15 × 1/3) + (20 × 1/6) = 10 + 5 + 3.33 = 18.33 days, which is well under the 183 threshold. And yes, Form 8840 is essentially your "closer connection" exemption - it lets you demonstrate that despite meeting the physical presence test, you maintain stronger ties to your home country (residence, family, business, etc.). It's better to avoid needing it altogether, but it's there as a safety net if your travel patterns change unexpectedly. The key is keeping good records of your US visits - entry/exit dates, purpose of visit, etc. Most people don't realize how quickly business trips can add up over multiple years!

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Great question! As a non-resident from a non-treaty country, you're facing the standard US tax treatment. Here's what you need to know: **Dividend Tax**: You'll pay 30% withholding tax on all dividends from your US stocks (Tesla, Apple, etc.). This is automatically deducted before you receive the dividends - no action needed on your part. **Capital Gains**: Good news here - you generally won't owe US capital gains tax when you sell your stocks for profit, as long as you don't have substantial US presence (under 183 days using the weighted formula over 3 years) or US business connections. **No US Tax Return Required**: For basic stock ownership and sales, you typically don't need to file US tax returns. **Important Notes**: - Keep detailed records of dividend withholding for your home country tax filing - Be cautious with REITs or ETFs as they may have different tax treatment - Watch your US travel days if you visit for business/vacation The contradictory information you're finding online is often because rules vary significantly based on tax treaties, residency status, and investment types. Since you're in a non-treaty country with straightforward stock investments, your situation is actually relatively simple compared to more complex scenarios.

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This is exactly the clear breakdown I was looking for! Thank you so much @Oliver Fischer. Just to make sure I understand - when you say the 30% dividend withholding is "automatic," does this happen even if I'm using a broker outside the US? I'm currently with a European broker and want to make sure they'll handle this correctly. Also, regarding keeping records for my home country taxes - should I be looking for any specific forms or documents from my broker, or are the regular account statements sufficient to show the dividend income and US taxes withheld?

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Yes, the 30% withholding happens automatically even with European brokers! Your broker has agreements with US custodians/clearing houses that require them to withhold the tax before passing dividends to you. You'll receive the net amount (70% of the gross dividend) and see the withholding clearly itemized on your statements. For record-keeping, your broker's regular statements should show both the gross dividend amount and the US tax withheld. Most reputable European brokers also provide annual tax summaries that break down all foreign withholding taxes by country - this makes it much easier when filing your home country taxes and claiming foreign tax credits. Look for sections labeled "Foreign Tax Withheld" or "Tax Withheld at Source" on your statements. If your broker doesn't provide clear tax reporting, you might want to consider switching to one that does (like Interactive Brokers) as it will save you significant time during tax season. The key is having documentation that clearly shows the gross income earned and taxes already paid to the US.

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I'd also recommend double-checking your broker's W-8BEN form status if you haven't already. This form tells your broker (and ultimately the US) that you're a non-US person for tax purposes. Without a properly filed W-8BEN, your broker might withhold backup withholding taxes at even higher rates (typically 24%) instead of the standard 30% dividend withholding. Most brokers will prompt you to complete this when you open an account, but it's worth verifying it's on file and up to date. The form is valid for 3 years, so you'll need to renew it periodically. This is separate from any tax treaty benefits (which you wouldn't get anyway as a non-treaty country resident), but it ensures you're getting the "standard" non-resident treatment rather than punitive backup withholding rates. Also, since you mentioned planning to expand your portfolio - be extra careful if you ever consider investing in partnerships (like some energy MLPs) or certain other pass-through entities, as these can trigger US filing requirements even for non-residents. Stick with regular C-corporation stocks to keep things simple!

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This is excellent advice about the W-8BEN form! I actually had to update mine last year when I realized it had expired. My broker (Schwab International) sent me a notice, but I know some people miss these renewals and end up with higher withholding rates without realizing why. One thing to add - when you fill out the W-8BEN, make sure your tax identification number from your home country is correct. Some brokers are pretty strict about this, and errors can delay the form processing or cause withholding issues. @Amina Sy your point about MLPs is spot on. I made that mistake early on thinking they were just regular stocks. The K-1 forms and US filing requirements were a nightmare to sort out as a non-resident!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation - non-resident from a country without a US tax treaty investing in US stocks. One thing I wanted to add based on my experience is about quarterly estimated tax payments. Since the 30% dividend withholding is automatic, you typically don't need to make quarterly estimated payments to the IRS like US residents do. The withholding covers your US tax obligation on dividends. However, if you do end up having any US-source income that isn't subject to withholding (which is rare for basic stock investing), you'd need to make estimated payments. Also, @Fatima Al-Sayed, since you mentioned Tesla specifically - be aware that some growth stocks like Tesla historically paid no dividends, so you wouldn't have any withholding tax on those until/unless they start paying dividends. Your tax obligation only kicks in when dividends are actually paid. One last tip: if you ever move to a country that does have a tax treaty with the US, you can file Form W-8BEN with treaty benefits to potentially reduce your dividend withholding rate. Just something to keep in mind for the future!

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Great point about Tesla and other growth stocks not paying dividends! I hadn't really thought about that aspect. So essentially, if I'm holding stocks like Tesla that don't pay dividends, I have zero US tax obligations until I either sell them (no capital gains tax for non-residents) or they start paying dividends (30% withholding when they do). This actually makes me feel more confident about expanding into more growth-oriented stocks where dividend income isn't the primary investment thesis. Thanks for clarifying that the withholding only applies when dividends are actually distributed - I was wondering if there were any taxes just for holding the positions. The treaty benefit tip is also really valuable. I'm not planning to relocate anytime soon, but it's good to know that could potentially reduce the withholding rate from 30% to something lower if my circumstances change in the future.

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I've been investing in US stocks as a non-resident for about 3 years now and wanted to share some practical tips that might help you avoid some mistakes I made early on. First, regarding brokers - make sure yours provides clear tax reporting. I started with a smaller European broker that gave me basic statements, but their tax documentation was terrible. Switching to a broker like Interactive Brokers or Charles Schwab International made tax season much easier since they provide detailed breakdowns of dividend income and US withholding. Second, consider the timing of your investments if you're focused on dividend-paying stocks. I learned that ex-dividend dates matter for tax purposes - if you buy a stock right before it goes ex-dividend, you'll owe the full withholding tax on that dividend payment even if you only held the stock for a day. Not a huge deal, but something to be aware of. Finally, keep a simple spreadsheet tracking your US withholding taxes by year. Even though your broker provides statements, having your own summary makes it much easier when claiming foreign tax credits in your home country. I track total dividends received, total US tax withheld, and the net amount - takes 5 minutes per quarter but saves hours during tax filing. The good news is that once you understand the basic rules (30% on dividends, no capital gains tax), it really is straightforward. Much simpler than I initially feared!

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This is such valuable practical advice! I'm just getting started with US stock investing as a non-resident and your point about broker selection really resonates. I'm currently using a smaller local broker and while their fees are competitive, I'm already seeing issues with their tax documentation clarity. The tip about ex-dividend dates is something I never would have thought about - definitely good to keep in mind when timing purchases of dividend stocks. Your spreadsheet approach also sounds like a smart way to stay organized from the beginning rather than scrambling to piece everything together later. One question: when you mention claiming foreign tax credits in your home country, do you find that most tax authorities accept the broker statements as sufficient documentation, or do they typically require additional forms from the IRS or other US sources?

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As someone who's been through this exact situation, I can confirm that the advice here is spot-on. I'm a non-resident from a country without a US tax treaty, and I've been investing in US stocks for about 2 years now. The 30% dividend withholding really is automatic - my broker (based in Singapore) handles it seamlessly. You'll see it clearly on your statements as "US Tax Withheld" or similar. Just make sure your W-8BEN form is properly filed with your broker, as mentioned earlier. One thing I'd add is about reinvesting dividends. If you have dividend reinvestment plans (DRIPs) set up, the 30% withholding still applies to the gross dividend amount before reinvestment. So if you receive $100 in dividends, $30 goes to US taxes and $70 gets reinvested in additional shares. This is important to track for cost basis calculations when you eventually sell. Also, regarding record keeping - I've found that having a separate folder (digital or physical) just for US investment tax documents makes things much easier. Include your broker statements, W-8BEN form copies, and any correspondence about withholding. My home country's tax authority was very straightforward about accepting my broker's annual tax summary as proof of foreign taxes paid. The peace of mind of understanding these rules upfront is definitely worth the initial research effort!

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Thank you for sharing your real-world experience! Your point about DRIP withholding is really important - I hadn't considered that the tax would still apply to the gross amount even when automatically reinvesting. That's definitely something to factor in when deciding between taking dividends as cash vs reinvestment, especially since it affects the cost basis tracking you mentioned. The separate tax document folder idea is brilliant and something I'm going to implement right away. It sounds like most tax authorities are reasonable about accepting broker statements as proof of foreign taxes paid, which is reassuring. One follow-up question: when you mention cost basis calculations for eventual sales, do you find that your broker automatically tracks the adjusted cost basis for reinvested dividends, or do you need to maintain those records separately? I want to make sure I'm prepared for accurate capital gains reporting in my home country when I eventually sell positions.

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Most reputable brokers do track adjusted cost basis automatically, including reinvested dividends, but I'd strongly recommend keeping your own records as a backup. My broker (Interactive Brokers) provides detailed cost basis tracking, but I still maintain a simple spreadsheet with purchase dates, amounts, and any reinvested dividends. The reason is that some brokers only track cost basis for positions purchased after a certain date, and if you ever transfer accounts, the cost basis information doesn't always transfer perfectly. Plus, your home country's tax authority might have different cost basis calculation methods than what your US broker uses. For reinvested dividends specifically, the cost basis is typically the net amount that gets reinvested (so the $70 in the example, not the gross $100). But double-check this with your specific broker since some handle it differently. Having your own records ensures you can accurately report capital gains in your home country regardless of any broker limitations or transfer issues. The extra bookkeeping is minimal compared to the headache of trying to reconstruct cost basis information years later when you're ready to sell!

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This has been an incredibly comprehensive thread! As someone who was initially overwhelmed by the complexity of US tax obligations for non-residents, reading through everyone's experiences has been extremely reassuring. I want to emphasize something that's been touched on but bears repeating: the importance of starting with proper documentation from day one. Make sure your W-8BEN is filed correctly with your broker, keep detailed records of all withholding, and don't wait until tax season to organize everything. One additional consideration I haven't seen mentioned is the potential impact of currency fluctuations on your tax obligations in your home country. While the US withholding is straightforward (30% on dividends), when you report this foreign tax credit in your home currency, exchange rate movements between the dividend payment date and your tax filing can affect the actual credit amount you can claim. For those just starting out like the original poster, I'd recommend beginning with a small position in 2-3 dividend-paying stocks to get comfortable with how the withholding works in practice before expanding your portfolio. Once you see the process firsthand - the automatic withholding, the clear reporting on statements - it becomes much less intimidating than it initially appears. The key takeaway is that while the rules seemed complex at first, the actual mechanics are quite straightforward for basic stock investing from non-treaty countries.

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This is such a helpful summary @Oliver Zimmermann! Your point about currency fluctuations is something I hadn't considered at all. Since I'll be reporting the US withholding taxes in my local currency when filing at home, exchange rate changes could definitely impact the foreign tax credit calculation. Starting small with a few dividend-paying stocks is great advice too. I was actually planning to jump in with a larger investment right away, but testing the waters with smaller positions first will help me understand the process without any major surprises. One thing that's really stood out from this entire discussion is how consistent everyone's experiences have been - the 30% withholding really does work automatically, brokers do provide the necessary documentation, and the process is much more straightforward than the conflicting information I found online initially suggested. Thanks to everyone who shared their real-world experiences! This has given me the confidence to move forward with my US stock investments while being properly prepared for the tax implications.

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I've been dealing with this exact situation for the past year, and I can add a few practical points that might help. As a non-resident from a non-treaty country, I initially overthought the complexity, but it really is quite manageable once you understand the basics. One thing I'd emphasize is the importance of understanding your broker's fee structure for dividend payments. Some brokers charge additional fees for processing dividend payments to international accounts, which can eat into your returns on top of the 30% withholding. It's worth comparing how different brokers handle this. Also, regarding the companies you mentioned (Tesla, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Netflix) - keep in mind that their dividend policies vary significantly. Tesla historically hasn't paid dividends, while others like Apple and Microsoft have regular quarterly payments. This affects your actual tax burden since you only pay the withholding when dividends are actually distributed. For portfolio expansion, I'd suggest focusing initially on understanding how the withholding works with your current broker before diversifying too broadly. Once you've gone through a full dividend cycle and seen how everything appears on your statements, you'll have much more confidence about scaling up your investments. The peace of mind that comes from understanding these rules upfront is definitely worth the initial learning curve!

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This is really helpful practical advice! The point about broker fees for international dividend processing is something I definitely need to research with my current broker. I hadn't even considered that there might be additional charges on top of the 30% US withholding. Your observation about the different dividend policies among those specific companies is also very insightful. I was thinking about the tax implications in general terms, but you're absolutely right that Tesla's lack of dividends means zero immediate US tax burden, while the others would trigger the withholding whenever they make distributions. Starting with understanding one full dividend cycle before expanding makes a lot of sense. I think I was getting ahead of myself wanting to diversify quickly, but experiencing the actual process firsthand with a smaller portfolio will definitely build confidence and help me spot any issues early. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience - it's reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same initial confusion but found it manageable once they got started!

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I'm also a non-resident from a non-treaty country and went through this same confusion when I started investing in US stocks last year. The advice in this thread is excellent and matches my experience perfectly. One additional tip I'd offer is to set up a simple tracking system from your very first dividend payment. I use a basic spreadsheet with columns for: stock symbol, dividend date, gross dividend amount, US tax withheld, and net amount received. This has been invaluable when filing my home country taxes and claiming foreign tax credits. Also, don't be surprised if your first few dividend payments seem small after the 30% withholding - it felt painful at first seeing that chunk taken out automatically. But remember that you're likely able to claim at least some of this as a credit against your home country taxes, so you're not necessarily losing the full 30%. The key insight for me was realizing that this withholding system is actually quite elegant - the US gets its share automatically, you get clear documentation for your home country filing, and there's no complex paperwork or estimated payments to worry about. Much simpler than I initially feared! @Fatima Al-Sayed, you're asking exactly the right questions upfront. Getting clarity on these rules before expanding your portfolio will save you a lot of stress down the road.

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