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CosmicCowboy

Using a Donor Advised Fund to offset capital gains tax - worth it?

I recently had a stock investment pay off big time - about $270k total. The crazy thing is almost all of it is capital gains since I bought in super cheap years ago. I'm wondering if I could basically offset the tax impact by putting half into a Donor Advised Fund (roughly $135k) and keeping the other $135k. Would this make me tax neutral on the whole transaction? It seems like it should work this way, but I'm nervous I'm missing some hidden gotchas or loopholes I should know about before proceeding. For context, my wife and I make about $650k from our regular jobs, and we'll probably have some other smaller capital gains this year but nothing close to this windfall. Also - I still haven't sold the stock yet. I've owned these shares for over 8 years so it's all Long Term Capital Gains. My plan would be to donate the shares directly to the DAF rather than selling first then donating the cash.

This is actually a pretty smart tax strategy! When you donate appreciated securities directly to a Donor Advised Fund, you can deduct the full fair market value of the donation (up to 30% of your AGI) AND you avoid paying capital gains tax on those securities. If you donate half your shares worth $135k to the DAF and sell the other half, you'll pay capital gains tax only on the shares you sell. The donation would offset some of your other income depending on your tax bracket. It won't be perfectly "tax neutral" but it could significantly reduce your tax bill while supporting charities you care about. One thing to be aware of - the tax deduction for your donation can only offset up to 30% of your Adjusted Gross Income in one year when donating appreciated securities. With your combined income, this shouldn't be an issue, but worth keeping in mind.

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Javier Cruz

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How long do you have to keep the money in the DAF before distributing it to charities? And are there any minimum distribution requirements like with a private foundation?

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There's no time limit for how long you can keep funds in a DAF before granting them to charities - you could technically hold them indefinitely if you wanted. Many people use DAFs as a long-term charitable planning tool, growing the assets tax-free inside the fund before distributing them. Unlike private foundations, DAFs have no minimum distribution requirements. Private foundations must distribute at least 5% of their assets annually, but DAFs don't have this requirement, which gives you much more flexibility with less administrative burden.

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Emma Thompson

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I went through almost the exact same situation last year with a tech stock that exploded. After weeks of research, I found that using https://taxr.ai saved me tons of time and worry. The tool analyzed my specific situation and confirmed I could donate half my shares to a DAF while selling the other half, which dramatically reduced my overall tax bill. What I especially loved was how it modeled different scenarios - like donating different percentages to see the optimal tax outcome. It even identified some additional deductions I wasn't aware of that further offset the capital gains from the portion I sold.

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Malik Jackson

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Does it actually connect with the DAF services or just tell you the tax implications? I'm also wondering if it handles state taxes or just federal?

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I've seen a bunch of these tax tools pop up lately. How is this one different? Most of them just tell me stuff I already know or could find with a quick google search.

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Emma Thompson

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It doesn't directly connect with DAF providers, but it gives you detailed instructions for the transfer process based on which DAF you're using. I used Fidelity Charitable and the guidance was spot-on for their specific requirements. The tool definitely handles state taxes too, which was crucial for me in California where the tax hit would have been brutal. It factors in your specific state's treatment of capital gains and charitable deductions, which can vary significantly from federal rules.

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Just wanted to follow up - I decided to try https://taxr.ai after my skeptical question and wow, it was actually really helpful! I was surprised how it mapped out various DAF donation amounts against my specific tax situation. It showed me that donating 60% rather than 50% of my shares would actually be more optimal in my specific case due to some other deductions I have. What I found most useful was the visualization of my "donation efficiency" - basically showing how each donated dollar reduced my tax burden. Made the whole capital gains situation way less intimidating and I feel confident moving forward with the DAF strategy.

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StarSurfer

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I went through something similar last year with a crypto windfall. After trying everything to get clear answers from the IRS about DAF donations and crypto, I couldn't get through to anyone who could actually help. Finally used https://claimyr.com and was connected to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes instead of the 3+ hours I spent on hold before. The agent was able to confirm that my DAF strategy would work but pointed out some documentation requirements I would have needed for the crypto donation that my accountant hadn't mentioned. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c - basically they wait on hold with the IRS for you then call when an agent is ready.

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Ravi Malhotra

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Wait, this seriously works? I thought it was impossible to get through to the IRS these days. How much did they charge for this?

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Sounds like a scam to me. Why would the IRS allow a third-party service to "skip the line"? And why would you trust some random company with your tax information?

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StarSurfer

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Yes, it absolutely works! The service doesn't actually skip any lines - they just have an automated system that waits on hold so you don't have to. When an IRS agent picks up, they connect you directly to them. You're still getting the same place in line, just not having to listen to the hold music yourself. They don't access any of your tax information at all. They just make the initial connection to the IRS, then you have a private conversation with the agent about whatever tax questions you have. I was skeptical too until I tried it and spoke directly with an IRS representative who answered all my DAF questions.

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I need to eat some humble pie here. After posting that skeptical comment about Claimyr, I decided to try it myself because I had some questions about my own DAF situation that I couldn't get answered anywhere. To my genuine surprise, I was talking to an actual IRS agent in about 25 minutes instead of the 2+ hours I spent on hold last month. The agent confirmed that my planned DAF contribution would work as intended, but also pointed out that I needed to get a qualified appraisal since some of my securities weren't publicly traded. That one piece of advice potentially saved me from a major headache if I'd been audited. Sometimes being proven wrong is actually a good thing!

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Omar Hassan

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - pay attention to the DAF's minimum initial contribution requirements. Fidelity's is $5k, Schwab's is $5k too I think, but Vanguard requires $25k to get started. Also look at their minimum grant amounts for when you actually distribute to charities. Each DAF provider has different fee structures too - usually an administrative fee (often around 0.6%) plus investment fees depending on how you choose to invest the funds while they're in the DAF. These can eat away at your charitable impact over time.

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Do you know if you can transfer an existing DAF from one provider to another if you're not happy with the fees or service?

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Omar Hassan

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Yes, you can definitely transfer your DAF between providers if you're unhappy with fees or service. It's called a "DAF-to-DAF transfer" and most major providers accommodate this. It's similar to rolling over a 401k - the funds go directly from one provider to another without being distributed to you first. The receiving DAF will usually have forms to initiate the transfer. Just be aware that some providers might have minimum transfer amounts or waiting periods. I moved mine from Vanguard to Fidelity last year and the process took about 3 weeks total.

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Diego Chavez

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Don't forget to think about the actual charitable impact! I see so many people get caught up in the tax benefits of DAFs (which are great) but then let the money sit in the fund for years. If your goal is actually helping charities, consider setting a personal distribution schedule. My approach has been to donate appreciated stocks to my DAF during high-income years, but I make it a point to grant at least 20% of my DAF balance to charities each year. The money does more good in the hands of organizations making a difference now rather than sitting in an investment account.

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CosmicCowboy

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That's actually a really important point I hadn't considered. I've been thinking about this purely from the tax angle but you're right about the actual charitable impact. I like your idea of a personal distribution schedule - maybe I'll commit to granting 25% per year so the full amount gets distributed within 4 years or so.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation with some REIT shares that have appreciated significantly. One question I haven't seen addressed - does the timing of when you donate the shares to the DAF matter within the tax year? For instance, if I donate the shares in January vs December, does that affect my ability to deduct the full amount? I'm wondering if there are any strategic timing considerations beyond just making sure it happens before December 31st for the current tax year. Also, has anyone dealt with donating shares that pay regular dividends? I'm curious if those dividends continue to flow to the DAF or if they stop once the shares are transferred.

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Great questions! The timing within the tax year generally doesn't matter for your deduction eligibility - as long as you donate before December 31st, you can claim the full deduction for that year. However, there might be some strategic considerations around when you actually sell your remaining shares vs when you donate. Regarding dividends - once you transfer the shares to the DAF, any future dividends will go directly to the DAF account, not to you. This is actually beneficial since those dividends grow tax-free within the DAF and add to your charitable giving power. Just make sure to account for any dividends you received before the transfer date, as those would still be taxable income to you for the year. One timing consideration might be if you're close to the 30% AGI limit for charitable deductions - in that case, you might want to spread donations across tax years to maximize your deduction.

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This is exactly the kind of situation where getting professional guidance can save you thousands. While the DAF strategy you're considering is sound, there are some nuances with your income level and the size of this gain that could affect the optimal approach. One thing to consider - since you're already in a high tax bracket with your $650k income, the charitable deduction from the DAF contribution might not provide as much benefit as you'd expect due to phaseouts and limitations. You might want to model spreading the donation across multiple years to maximize the deduction value. Also, with an 8-year holding period, you've got solid long-term capital gains treatment locked in. But consider whether there are any other tax-loss harvesting opportunities in your portfolio that could offset some of the gains from the shares you do sell. This could further optimize your overall tax situation beyond just the DAF strategy.

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Isabella Santos

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This is really helpful advice about the high income considerations! I hadn't thought about how the deduction phaseouts might affect the benefit at our income level. Could you clarify what you mean by "spreading the donation across multiple years" - would that mean donating smaller amounts to the DAF over several years instead of the full $135k at once? Or are you referring to timing the actual grants from the DAF to charities over multiple years? I want to make sure I understand the mechanics of optimizing this strategy.

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