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Unexpected stock buyout causing large capital gain - do I need to pay estimated taxes or am I covered by safe harbor rules?

I'm about to have a stock position in a company that's being acquired later this year (2025). When the acquisition completes, my shares will automatically be cashed out at the predetermined price. This is going to result in a pretty substantial capital gain for me (mixture of both short and long term holdings). I've been trying to make sense of IRS Publication 505 which states: 1. You expect to owe at least $1,000 in tax for 2025 after subtracting your withholding and tax credits. 2. You expect your withholding and tax credits to be less than the smaller of: a. 90% of the tax to be shown on your 2025 tax return, or b. 100% of the tax shown on your 2024 tax return. Your 2024 tax return must cover all 12 months. Since this capital gain will be for tax year 2025 (which won't be due until April 2026), does this mean I can avoid paying estimated taxes as long as I ensure my withholding for 2025 equals at least 100% of the taxes I owed in 2024? For example, if I complete my 2024 return (due this April), and my total tax comes out to about $10,500, would I be safe if my employer withholds at least $10,500 in taxes from my salary throughout 2025? I'd really appreciate if someone could confirm my understanding. Also, if I do need to make estimated tax payments for this large capital gain, am I required to pay the entire capital gains tax in the quarter when the transaction happens? Or can I spread the payments across the four quarters?

You're on the right track with your understanding of the safe harbor rules. If your AGI was under $150,000 on your 2024 return, then yes - as long as your 2025 withholding equals or exceeds your total 2024 tax liability, you would meet the safe harbor requirement and wouldn't need to make estimated payments. But here's something important to note - if your AGI was over $150,000 on your 2024 return, the safe harbor amount increases from 100% to 110% of your prior year tax. So in your example, you'd need withholding of at least $11,550 ($10,500 × 110%) to meet the safe harbor. Regarding your second question, if you do need to make estimated payments, you generally need to report the income in the quarter it's received. So if the acquisition happens in Q3 2025, you'd report that income on your Q3 estimated payment due September 15, 2025. You don't need to spread it across quarters that haven't happened yet.

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Thanks for the clear explanation! I didn't know about that 110% rule for higher incomes. My AGI will definitely be over $150,000 for 2024, so that's really important info. Do you know if I can just increase my W-4 withholding at my job for the remainder of the year once I know the acquisition is happening, rather than making a separate estimated payment? Would that still satisfy the safe harbor rules as long as the total withholding for the year hits that 110% mark?

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Yes, increasing your W-4 withholding is absolutely a valid way to meet the safe harbor requirements. The IRS doesn't distinguish between money withheld from your paychecks and estimated payments you make directly - it's all considered tax paid throughout the year. Many people prefer increasing withholding because it's automated and you don't have to remember to make separate estimated payments. Just keep in mind that even if you increase your withholding late in the year (like after the acquisition happens), as long as your total withholding for the entire 2025 year reaches that 110% threshold, you'll satisfy the safe harbor rule. The timing of the withholding within the year doesn't matter for safe harbor purposes, which gives you a lot of flexibility.

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One thing nobody has mentioned that might be relevant - if your AGI is going to be significantly higher in 2025 because of this capital gain, you might want to consider making estimated payments anyway, even if you technically meet the safe harbor requirements. The reason is that if your total tax bill jumps dramatically (like $50K+ more than normal due to the capital gain), you might be facing a very large payment when you file your 2025 return in April 2026. Some people prefer to pay as they go rather than getting hit with a massive bill all at once. Also, if you expect this to be a one-time event where your income will be much higher than normal, you might actually be better off making estimates based on 90% of your projected current year tax rather than 110% of prior year. Just depends on your specific numbers.

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This is super important advice. I had a similar situation last year and met the safe harbor rules, but ended up owing $78k when I filed! Had to scramble to get the funds together. Wish I had just made estimates throughout the year.

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Question for anyone who knows - I'm in a slightly different situation where I'm selling privately held stock. Does anyone know if TurboTax or similar programs handle calculating these estimated payments correctly? I'm trying to avoid paying a CPA for something that seems like it should be straightforward.

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TurboTax and similar programs can definitely help calculate your estimated tax payments for capital gains, including for privately held stock. The key thing you'll need is the correct cost basis information and acquisition date for your shares, plus the sale price. The software will walk you through determining if your gain is short-term or long-term, then calculate the appropriate tax. It can also help determine if you need to make estimated payments based on your withholding and prior year tax liability. The estimated tax worksheet in these programs is pretty comprehensive.

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Just want to add another perspective here - I went through something very similar when my company got acquired in 2023. The acquisition created a substantial capital gain that pushed my AGI way over $150K, so I needed to hit that 110% safe harbor threshold. What I found helpful was calculating the exact amount early in the year and then spreading the additional withholding across all remaining paychecks rather than trying to cram it all into the last few months. This made the impact on my take-home pay much more manageable. Also worth noting - if your employer's payroll system can't handle the level of additional withholding you need (some have limits), you might need to make at least one estimated payment anyway. I ran into this issue where my HR department said they couldn't withhold more than a certain percentage of my gross pay, so I had to make a Q4 estimated payment to cover the difference. The good news is that as long as your total payments (withholding + estimates) meet the safe harbor amount, you're protected from penalties regardless of how you split it up.

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This is really helpful advice about spreading the withholding across remaining paychecks! I hadn't thought about potential payroll system limitations. Do you remember roughly what percentage of gross pay your HR department was comfortable withholding? I'm trying to get a sense of whether I might run into the same issue. Also, when you made that Q4 estimated payment, did you have to calculate it based on the timing of when your acquisition actually happened, or could you just make it a round number to reach your safe harbor target?

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@334def0feab9 My HR department's limit was around 75% of gross pay for additional federal withholding beyond the standard amount. They were worried about potential payroll compliance issues if they withheld too much and left employees with very little take-home pay. For the Q4 estimated payment, I didn't need to worry about the timing of the acquisition at all since I was just using it to reach my safe harbor target. I calculated exactly how much more I needed beyond my projected withholding to hit that 110% threshold, then made an estimated payment for that amount. The IRS doesn't care whether your payments are perfectly timed to match when income was received as long as you meet the safe harbor rules. In my case, the acquisition happened in August, but I didn't make the estimated payment until December when I realized my withholding wouldn't be quite enough. Still avoided all penalties because the total for the year hit the safe harbor amount.

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Kylo Ren

Great question about the safe harbor rules! I went through something similar when my startup got acquired in 2022. A few additional points that might help: 1. **Timing flexibility with safe harbor**: The beauty of the safe harbor rule is that it doesn't matter WHEN during the year you pay the taxes, just that your total payments meet the threshold. So if your acquisition happens in Q3 but you don't increase withholding until Q4, you're still protected as long as you hit that 110% mark by year-end. 2. **Consider state taxes too**: Don't forget that most states also have their own estimated tax requirements. If you're in a state with capital gains taxes, you'll want to factor that into your planning as well. 3. **Document everything**: Keep detailed records of when you increased your withholding and why. If there are ever questions about penalties, having documentation that you were following safe harbor rules will be helpful. 4. **Alternative minimum tax (AMT)**: With a large capital gain, you might want to check if you'll be subject to AMT. This can sometimes affect your safe harbor calculations, especially if your prior year included AMT. The approach you outlined sounds correct - just make sure you're using the right percentage (110% if your 2024 AGI exceeds $150K) and consider whether paying throughout the year vs. one large payment in April 2026 works better for your cash flow situation.

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Really appreciate the comprehensive breakdown! The AMT consideration is something I hadn't thought about at all. Do you know if there's an easy way to estimate whether a large capital gain would trigger AMT, or is that something that typically requires professional help to calculate? Also, regarding state taxes - I'm in California, so I know they'll want their share too. Did you find that most states follow similar safe harbor rules to the federal system, or do they each have their own requirements that need to be calculated separately? The documentation point is smart too. I've been pretty casual about record-keeping, but with this large gain coming up, I should probably get more organized about tracking when and why I make withholding changes.

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