Understanding US-Korea Tax Treaty for Retiree's Interest Income
So I need some help figuring out the tax treaty situation between US and Korea. My father retired last year and decided to move back to Korea to be with his brother after living in the US for about 30 years. He never became a US citizen, always maintained his green card status as a permanent resident alien. He moved to Korea in mid-2022, and I'm trying to figure out his tax situation for 2023. Most of his income now is from interest on his US investments. When looking at filing a 1040-NR for him, I saw the standard 30% flat tax rate for non-residents. But then I found Article 13 in the US-Korea tax treaty that mentions something about a maximum tax rate of 12% for interest income. Just trying to understand if this 12% rate actually applies to his situation before we pay for professional tax advice next year. Want to help him plan for what his tax bill might look like. Has anyone dealt with this specific treaty situation before?
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Yuki Yamamoto
The US-Korea tax treaty does indeed provide some relief from the standard 30% withholding rate that typically applies to non-residents. Article 13 of the treaty specifically addresses interest income and generally limits the tax rate to 12% for most types of interest. Your father's situation is actually quite common. When a permanent resident alien gives up their US residency and moves back to their home country, they typically need to file Form 1040-NR and may qualify for reduced withholding rates under applicable tax treaties. To claim the treaty benefits, your father would need to file Form 1040-NR and include Form 8833 (Treaty-Based Return Position Disclosure) to explicitly claim the reduced rate under the US-Korea treaty. Also, if he hasn't already done so, he should file Form I-407 to formally abandon his permanent resident status.
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Ethan Brown
•Thank you for the detailed response! I wasn't aware of Form 8833 or that he needed to formally abandon his permanent resident status with Form I-407. Do you know if there's a time limit on filing the I-407? He's been in Korea for over a year now. Also, are there any specific types of interest that wouldn't qualify for the reduced 12% rate? He has money in CDs and some bonds.
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Yuki Yamamoto
•There's no specific time limit for filing Form I-407, but it's in his best interest to file it as soon as possible to clearly establish his non-resident status. Without formal abandonment, the IRS might consider him a US tax resident subject to tax on worldwide income, which would be less favorable. Most types of bank interest, CD interest, and bond interest should qualify for the reduced 12% rate under Article 13. However, there are exceptions for interest that's effectively connected with a US trade or business or interest paid by related persons. If he's just receiving interest from regular investments held at financial institutions, those exceptions likely wouldn't apply to him.
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Liam O'Sullivan
Something important to consider with your father's situation is whether he properly terminated his US tax residency status. A green card holder is considered a US tax resident unless they properly terminate their status. Did he file Form 8854 (Expatriation Statement) when he left? If he was a long-term permanent resident (held green card for 8 out of the last 15 years), he might be considered a "covered expatriate" which could trigger additional tax consequences like the exit tax. This is separate from the treaty benefits question but could significantly impact his overall tax situation.
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Ethan Brown
•Oh no, I don't think he filed any Form 8854. He kind of just moved back without doing any formal process with immigration or tax authorities. He's had his green card for over 20 years. What exactly is this exit tax and how bad could it be? This sounds concerning.
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Liam O'Sullivan
•This is potentially a serious issue that needs to be addressed. Since your father held his green card for over 20 years, he would likely be considered a "long-term resident" for expatriation purposes. The exit tax applies to covered expatriates (generally those with net worth over $2 million, average annual tax liability over $172,000 for the past 5 years, or who fail to certify tax compliance). It essentially treats all property as if it were sold on the day before expatriation, and taxes the unrealized gains above an exemption amount (about $767,000 in 2023). Additionally, certain deferred compensation and tax-deferred accounts receive special treatment. I strongly recommend getting professional tax help specifically from someone experienced with expatriation issues. This is much more complex than just applying treaty benefits and could have significant financial implications if not handled correctly.
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Amara Chukwu
Just a heads up - I lived in Korea for 12 years and moved back to the US last year. Korean banks will also want your father to file a W-8BEN with them to claim the reduced treaty rate on any interest earned from Korean accounts. Otherwise, Korean financial institutions will withhold at their domestic rate (around 15.4% currently). It's a two-way street with these treaties - he needs to claim the treaty benefits with BOTH the US and Korean tax authorities. Also, make sure he's reporting any Korean bank accounts on FBAR if the aggregate total exceeds $10,000 at any point during the year. The penalties for missing that are brutal!
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Giovanni Conti
•Is the W-8BEN form in English or Korean? My mom is in a similar situation but her Korean is really rusty after 40 years in the US. Are Korean banks helpful with this process for returning Koreans?
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Marcus Williams
This is a complex situation that involves multiple layers of US tax compliance. Based on what you've described, your father needs to address several critical issues beyond just the treaty benefits: 1. **Formal expatriation process**: Since he's been a green card holder for 30 years, he needs to file Form I-407 to abandon permanent resident status and Form 8854 for expatriation tax purposes. The exit tax provisions could apply given his long-term resident status. 2. **Treaty benefits**: Yes, Article 13 of the US-Korea tax treaty does provide for a reduced 12% withholding rate on interest income instead of the standard 30%. He'll need to file Form 1040-NR and Form 8833 to claim these benefits. 3. **Korean tax obligations**: Don't forget he may also have Korean tax filing requirements as a returning resident. Korea generally taxes worldwide income for residents. 4. **FBAR reporting**: If he maintains US bank accounts or investments totaling over $10,000, he'll need to file FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) annually. Given the complexity and potential penalties involved (especially with expatriation requirements), I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international tax and expatriation before filing anything. The costs of professional help will likely be far less than potential penalties for non-compliance.
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Mei Zhang
•This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I had no idea there were so many moving parts to consider. The expatriation requirements alone sound like they could be a major issue we need to address immediately. A few follow-up questions if you don't mind: - Is there any deadline for filing the Form 8854 after leaving the US? He moved in mid-2022 but we haven't filed anything yet. - For the Korean tax obligations, would he need to file for the partial year he moved back (2022) or just starting from 2023? - Since he's been gone over a year already, could there be penalties for not filing the expatriation forms sooner? I'm definitely going to find a professional who specializes in this area. Do you happen to know if there are CPAs who specifically handle US-Korea tax situations, or should I look for general international tax specialists?
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