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Should F-1 Visa students file 1040 or 1040NR if staying over 183 days?

I'm helping my roommate who's on an F-1 visa figure out his tax situation and getting so confused! He's been here for about 10 months now (definitely over the 183 days threshold) and we're trying to figure out if he should file the regular 1040 or the 1040NR form. I've been googling for hours and keep finding completely contradicting information. Some sites say F-1 students should always file 1040NR regardless of how long they've been here. Others say after the 183 day substantial presence test, they should file the regular 1040 like residents. It's driving me crazy because the forms have different deductions and rules. He worked an on-campus job and got a W-2, if that matters. Also wondering if tax treaties with his home country (South Korea) might affect this?? Anyone deal with this before or know the actual rule? TIA!

The confusion is understandable! For F-1 visa students, it's not just about counting days. Even if someone stays more than 183 days, F-1 students are generally considered "exempt individuals" for the first 5 calendar years in the US, meaning they don't count those days toward the substantial presence test. This means most F-1 students should file Form 1040NR (Nonresident Alien) for the first 5 calendar years of their stay, regardless of the 183-day rule. After the 5-year period, then they would typically use the substantial presence test to determine their filing status. The presence of a W-2 doesn't automatically determine which form to use. Many nonresidents with U.S. source income receive W-2s but still file 1040NR. As for tax treaties with South Korea, yes, this could affect certain types of income, but doesn't change which form to use.

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Wait i'm also on F-1 and have been here for 3 years but my university tax workshop told us to do the substantial presence test and if we pass to file 1040?? Now I'm worried I did mine wrong. Does this mean I should amend my returns for last year? And what about the tax treaty benefits - do those only apply with 1040NR?

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The substantial presence test is still important, but the key is understanding the "exempt individual" exception. F-1 students are generally exempt from counting days toward the substantial presence test for 5 calendar years. So even if physically present for 183+ days, they typically file as nonresidents (1040NR) during those first 5 years. Regarding tax treaties, these benefits generally apply specifically to nonresidents, so they're typically claimed on Form 1040NR. If you've been filing Form 1040 instead of 1040NR during your exempt years, you might consider amending those returns, especially if treaty benefits would be advantageous. I'd recommend consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international student taxation to review your specific situation.

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Did you have to pay for the service? And did it actually help with filling out the forms or just told you which ones to use? My girlfriend is on F-1 and we're trying to figure out her taxes without spending a ton on an international tax specialist.

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I'm skeptical of these online tools. How does it handle state taxes? Because my state doesn't recognize the federal tax treaty so even if federal is 0, I still owe state taxes. Also what about FICA taxes that many universities wrongly withhold from F-1 students?

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The basic analysis that tells you which forms to use is actually free. They have paid options if you want them to prepare the actual returns, but I just needed clarity on the form question. The tool definitely handles state taxes too. You're right that states often don't honor federal treaties - they specifically flagged this for me and showed which parts of my income were exempt federally but still taxable by my state. As for FICA taxes, they have a separate tool that generates the letter you need to request a refund of incorrectly withheld Social Security and Medicare taxes, which F-1 students are generally exempt from during the first 5 years.

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Foreign student advisor here! This is one of our most common questions. Quick reference: - F-1 students are "exempt individuals" for 5 calendar years - This means you generally file 1040NR for 5 years, regardless of 183 day test - After 5 years, then the substantial presence test applies - If you pass the test after 5 years, then you file regular 1040 - Each country has different tax treaties with US - check if yours has education benefits IMPORTANT: The 5 years don't have to be consecutive. If you left the US and returned, the count continues from where you left off.

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Does this apply to J-1 visa holders too? I've been on J-1 for research and am confused if the same 5-year rule applies or if it's different for J visas vs F visas.

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J-1 visa holders have a similar but slightly different rule. For J-1 students, you're an "exempt individual" for 5 calendar years, just like F-1 students. But for J-1 teachers or researchers, the exempt period is only 2 of the last 6 calendar years. So if you're on a J-1 as a student, the 5-year rule applies just like F-1. But if you're on a J-1 as a researcher or teacher, you only get 2 years of exempt status. After that, if you meet the substantial presence test, you'll generally file Form 1040 as a resident alien rather than 1040NR.

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Anyone know if there's a difference in refund amounts typically between filing 1040 vs 1040NR for students? I filed 1040 last year cuz that's what turbotax recommended but now wondering if I should have done 1040NR instead. My country (india) has a tax treaty with US so maybe i missed out on some benefits?

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There can be HUGE differences! On 1040NR you can claim tax treaty benefits that might exempt some scholarship or income. BUT you also can't claim standard deduction the same way and some tax credits aren't available to nonresidents. For India specifically, there are education-related treaty benefits for students. You might want to look into amending last year's return if you were within your 5 exempt years.

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As someone who went through this exact same confusion with my F-1 status, I can confirm what others have said - the 5-year exempt individual rule is key here! Your roommate should definitely file 1040NR for his first 5 calendar years in the US, regardless of being here over 183 days. The W-2 from his on-campus job doesn't change which form to use - nonresidents can still receive W-2s and file 1040NR. For the South Korea tax treaty, there are specific benefits for students that he can only claim on the 1040NR form. Article 20 of the US-Korea treaty typically covers student income exemptions. One thing I learned the hard way - make sure he checks if his university incorrectly withheld FICA taxes (Social Security/Medicare) from his paychecks. F-1 students are generally exempt from FICA for their first 5 years, so if they withheld these taxes, he can get a refund by filing Form 843 with his university payroll office. The tax software like TurboTax often gets this wrong for international students, so definitely stick with 1040NR for now. Good luck!

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This is super helpful! I had no idea about the FICA tax exemption for F-1 students. My university has been withholding Social Security and Medicare taxes from my on-campus job for the past 2 years - I just assumed it was normal. Do you know if there's a time limit for requesting those refunds? And does the Form 843 process typically take long to get processed by the university payroll office? Also wondering about the Korea tax treaty benefits you mentioned - are those automatic when filing 1040NR or do you have to specifically claim them somewhere on the form? Thanks for sharing your experience!

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