New green card holder tax filing requirements for a retired parent living abroad
Title: New green card holder tax filing requirements for a retired parent living abroad 1 My father received his green card about a month ago at age 66, but he still lives overseas in the Middle East. He's retired and his only income is a government pension/social security from his home country. He's really confused about his US tax obligations, and honestly, so am I after trying to research this. His situation is complicated because his country doesn't have a tax treaty with the US. I'm trying to figure out if he needs to pay US taxes on his foreign pension/social security income. What about his savings accounts back home - does he need to declare those or pay taxes on the interest? For deductions, he supports two dependents in the Middle East and has normal expenses there (utilities, housing, etc). But he has no job or income source in the USA right now. Can anyone explain how his tax filing will work as a new green card holder who lives abroad? What forms will he need to complete? Are there any specific rules for retirees in his situation? Thanks for any guidance you can provide!
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Anthony Young
12 Your father now has permanent resident status, which means he's considered a US tax resident regardless of where he physically lives. Green card holders have the same tax filing obligations as US citizens, even when living abroad. Here's what he needs to know: He must report his worldwide income on a US tax return, including his foreign pension, social security benefits, and interest from savings accounts. However, this doesn't automatically mean he'll owe US taxes on everything. For his foreign pension/social security, it depends on the specific type of payment and country source. Without a tax treaty, these payments are generally taxable, but he may qualify for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion if he meets certain requirements. He'll need to file Form 1040 and potentially Form 2555. Regarding his foreign bank accounts, he must report them if the combined value exceeds $10,000 at any point during the year using FinCEN Form 114 (FBAR). Additionally, he might need Form 8938 depending on the total value of his foreign assets. For dependents, the rules are stricter for non-US citizens/residents. His dependents would need either a Social Security Number or an ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) to be claimed, and they must meet relationship, age, residency and support tests.
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Anthony Young
•7 Thanks for the detailed response. I have some follow-up questions. First, does it matter that he only got his green card in the last month of the year? Would he only need to report income from that point forward? And second, what's the difference between the FBAR form and Form 8938? Do you need to file both?
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Anthony Young
•12 For your first question, your father's tax residency status begins on the date he received his green card. For the year he received it, he'll be considered a "dual-status alien," meaning he files as a nonresident for the part of the year before getting the green card, and as a resident afterward. He'll only need to report worldwide income from the date he became a permanent resident. Regarding FBAR versus Form 8938, they're separate requirements with different thresholds and purposes. The FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) is filed with the Treasury Department and focuses specifically on foreign financial accounts. Form 8938 is filed with the IRS and covers a broader range of foreign assets. Many people need to file both since they cover different reporting requirements, though there's some overlap in what's reported.
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Anthony Young
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Anthony Young
•15 How accurate is it with foreign pensions specifically? My father-in-law gets a government pension from Ukraine and we've gotten conflicting advice about how it's treated for US tax purposes.
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•20 I'm skeptical about these online tools. Did you have any issues with it misinterpreting documents that weren't in English? My mother's pension statements are all in Arabic and I'm worried about translation problems.
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Anthony Young
•9 For foreign pensions specifically, it was extremely accurate - it correctly identified that certain portions of my mom's pension were actually considered tax-exempt under a specific IRS ruling. The system actually referenced the exact IRS guidelines that applied to her type of foreign government pension. Regarding non-English documents, that was actually one of the main reasons we used it. My mom's statements were in Portuguese, and the system handled them surprisingly well. There's an option to provide translation notes for any terms that might be unclear. For Arabic documents, I believe they have specific support since many users have documents from the Middle East. You can always review what it interprets and make corrections if needed.
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Anthony Young
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Anthony Young
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Anthony Young
•10 How does this actually work? Do they just call the IRS for you? Couldn't I just do that myself instead of paying someone else to do it?
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Anthony Young
•20 Yeah right. I've been trying to reach the IRS for months about my foreign accounts. There's no way they got you through that quickly. The IRS international tax line has like a 2-hour wait minimum. Sounds like marketing BS to me.
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Anthony Young
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Anthony Young
20 I have to admit I was completely wrong about Claimyr that I criticized earlier. After another failed attempt to reach the IRS international tax line, I decided to give it a try out of desperation. They got me through to an IRS representative in about 55 minutes, while I was just going about my day. The agent confirmed that my mother's foreign pension is only partially taxable in the US, and explained exactly which forms she needs to file given her green card status. The most valuable part was getting clarification on the FBAR requirements for her accounts back home - turns out we would have been filing incorrectly without that guidance. For anyone with complicated international tax situations, actually speaking to an IRS specialist is immensely more helpful than trying to interpret the guidelines yourself.
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Anthony Young
5 One important thing nobody's mentioned yet is the Substantial Presence Test and potential tax treaty benefits. Even without a specific tax treaty, your father might benefit from filing Form 8833 (Treaty-Based Return Position Disclosure) if there's any applicable international agreement between the US and his country. Also, if he maintained a tax home in the Middle East and was physically present there for at least 330 days, he might qualify for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion, which could exclude over $100,000 of foreign earnings from US taxation. But be careful - retirement income and investment income typically don't qualify as "earned income" for this exclusion.
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Anthony Young
•3 I thought the Substantial Presence Test only applies to determining if someone is a resident alien or not? Doesn't having a green card automatically make you a resident alien regardless of physical presence?
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Anthony Young
•5 You're absolutely right - I should have been more precise. Green card holders are automatically considered resident aliens for tax purposes regardless of physical presence, so the Substantial Presence Test isn't relevant in this case. My main point about the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion still applies though. Even without a specific tax treaty, there are provisions that could help reduce his US tax liability on foreign income. However, you're correct that retirement income typically doesn't qualify as "earned income" for the FEIE since it wasn't actively earned during the tax year.
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Anthony Young
22 Does your father own any property or investments back in his home country? That's another important consideration. If he owns rental property or has investment accounts there, he'll need to report that income too. And depending on the total value, there may be additional reporting requirements beyond just the income. Foreign mutual funds are especially complicated because they're often classified as PFICs (Passive Foreign Investment Companies) which have special reporting requirements on Form 8621 and can be taxed at higher rates.
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Anthony Young
•1 He does have a small apartment that he rents out occasionally and some local investment funds through his bank there. I had no idea about these PFIC rules - that sounds really complicated. Is there a value threshold for when you need to report these foreign investments?
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