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Understanding Tax Consequences When Distribution is Treated as Sale of Shareholder's Stock and Corporation Recognizes Loss in Liquidation

I'm struggling with a corporate tax question about liquidation and would appreciate some help understanding the answer. The scenario involves a corporation (Zenith Inc) that's being liquidated. Brad owns 40% and Rachel owns 60%. They started the company 7 years ago, and Brad's current basis in his shares is $125k. When they liquidate Zenith, Brad receives property (Greenfield) that the corporation bought 4 years ago worth $780k with a basis of $600k. Rachel receives property (Yellowfield) worth $1.2M with a basis of $1.5M. Rachel had contributed this property in a Section 351 exchange 7 years ago. At that time, Rachel's basis in Yellowfield was $1.5M and its FMV was $1.3M. The question asks about tax consequences to Rachel and Zenith, with these options: a. Distribution to Rachel treated as dividend if Zenith has enough E&P b. Distribution to Rachel treated as redemption under § 302(b)(2) c. Distribution treated as sale of Rachel's stock; Zenith won't recognize gain/loss d. Distribution treated as sale of Rachel's stock; Zenith recognizes $300k loss e. Distribution treated as sale of Rachel's stock; Zenith recognizes $100k loss I thought the answer was (c) but apparently it's (d) and I'm not understanding why. Can anyone explain why Zenith would recognize a loss in this situation? I thought distributions in liquidation were generally tax-free to the corporation.

This is a good corporate tax question! When a corporation liquidates completely under Section 331, the shareholders treat the receipt of property as payment in exchange for their stock (essentially a sale). So Rachel will recognize gain or loss based on the difference between the FMV of property received ($1.2M) and her stock basis. For the corporation, we need to look at Section 336, which states that a liquidating corporation recognizes gain or loss on property distributed in complete liquidation as if the property were sold at FMV. In this case, Zenith distributed Yellowfield (basis $1.5M, FMV $1.2M) to Rachel, so Zenith will recognize a $300k loss. The confusion might be coming from thinking about regular distributions versus liquidating distributions. In a non-liquidating context, different rules might apply, but in a complete liquidation, Section 336 specifically requires the corporation to recognize gain or loss.

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Thanks for the explanation, but I'm still confused about one thing. Doesn't Section 311(a) prevent loss recognition on non-liquidating distributions of property? Or does that not apply here because it's a complete liquidation? Also, does it matter that Rachel originally contributed the property to the corporation?

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You're right that Section 311(a) prevents loss recognition on non-liquidating distributions. However, this is a complete liquidation, so Section 336 applies instead of Section 311, and Section 336 specifically requires gain or loss recognition as if the corporation sold the property for FMV. Regarding Rachel's original contribution, that's a good question. Normally, there would be concerns about a related party loss under Section 267. However, in a complete liquidation under Section 336, the loss is recognized even if the property is distributed to the contributing shareholder. The original contribution was 7 years ago under Section 351, and now we're dealing with a completely different transaction (liquidation), so the loss is recognized.

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I'm skeptical. How does it handle the built-in loss rules under 336(d)? That's where these liquidation questions get really tricky, especially with property contributions followed by liquidations within a certain timeframe.

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There's another nuance to this question that hasn't been mentioned yet. The problem states that Rachel contributed Yellowfield in a 351 exchange 7 years ago. Section 336(d)(2) has special rules for built-in losses on property contributed to a corporation, but those rules generally only apply to property contributed within 5 years of the liquidation. Since Rachel contributed the property 7 years ago, those anti-abuse provisions wouldn't apply here, which is another reason why answer D is correct. The full $300k loss would be recognized by the corporation.

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Thank you for pointing that out! So if Rachel had contributed the property 3 years ago instead of 7, would the answer be different? Would Zenith be limited in how much loss it could recognize?

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Yes, if Rachel had contributed the property just 3 years ago instead of 7, the answer would be different. Under Section 336(d)(2), if property with a built-in loss is contributed to a corporation within 5 years of the liquidation and then distributed to the contributing shareholder, the corporation can't recognize the portion of the loss that was built in at the time of contribution. In this scenario, when Rachel contributed the property, it had a $200k built-in loss (basis of $1.5M minus FMV of $1.3M). So if the contribution had been within the 5-year window, Zenith would only be able to recognize $100k of loss - the post-contribution decline from $1.3M to $1.2M. That's why option E exists as a potential answer.

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This thread has been super helpful. One question I still have - what are the tax consequences for Brad in this scenario? I know the question focuses on Rachel and Zenith, but I'm curious how Brad's tax treatment works.

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Great question! Brad will recognize gain or loss under Section 331 based on the difference between the FMV of Greenfield ($780k) and his stock basis ($125k). So he would recognize a gain of $655k. For Zenith, the distribution of Greenfield to Brad would result in the recognition of gain of $180k under Section 336 (FMV of $780k minus basis of $600k).

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This is such a helpful discussion! I've been working through similar corporate liquidation problems and the distinction between Section 311 and Section 336 has been tricky for me. What really clicked from reading this thread is that the key is recognizing this is a *complete* liquidation, not just a regular distribution. In complete liquidations under Section 336, the corporation is treated as if it sold all its assets at fair market value, which is why Zenith recognizes the $300k loss on Yellowfield. I also appreciate the clarification about the 5-year rule under Section 336(d)(2). It makes sense that since Rachel contributed the property 7 years ago (outside the 5-year window), the full built-in loss can be recognized. If it had been within 5 years, only the post-contribution decline in value would be deductible. This really helps me understand why corporate liquidations have such different tax consequences compared to regular distributions. Thanks everyone for the detailed explanations!

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I'm so glad this discussion helped clarify things for you! As someone new to corporate tax, I found the Section 311 vs 336 distinction really confusing at first too. It's one of those areas where the tax code has very different rules depending on the specific transaction type. Your summary is spot on - the complete liquidation aspect is what triggers Section 336's "deemed sale" treatment. I think what trips up a lot of people (myself included) is that we're used to thinking about distributions as generally non-taxable events for the corporation, but liquidations are the big exception. The 5-year rule discussion was particularly enlightening for me. It shows how the tax code tries to prevent abuse while still allowing legitimate business transactions. Thanks to everyone who contributed - this has been one of the most helpful threads I've seen on corporate liquidations!

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This has been an incredibly educational thread! I'm studying for my tax certification and corporate liquidations have been one of my weakest areas. Reading through everyone's explanations really helped me understand the mechanics. What I found most valuable was learning about the interplay between different code sections. I initially thought Section 311's loss disallowance rule would apply here, but now I understand that Section 336 creates a completely different framework for complete liquidations. The "deemed sale at FMV" concept makes so much sense when you think about it - the corporation is essentially going out of business and disposing of all its assets. The discussion about the 5-year rule under Section 336(d)(2) was also enlightening. It's fascinating how the tax code has these anti-abuse provisions to prevent taxpayers from manufacturing losses through strategic property contributions followed by quick liquidations. For anyone else struggling with these concepts, I'd recommend focusing on identifying the type of transaction first (regular distribution vs. complete liquidation) as that determines which code section applies. Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge - this community is such a great resource for learning complex tax concepts!

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I completely agree - this thread has been a masterclass in corporate liquidation tax rules! As someone who's also working through these concepts, I really appreciate how everyone broke down the step-by-step analysis. What helped me the most was seeing how the timeline matters so much in tax law. The fact that Rachel contributed the property 7 years ago versus 3 years ago completely changes the tax outcome shows how precise you need to be with these rules. It's not just about knowing Section 336 exists, but understanding all the exceptions and limitations like 336(d)(2). I'm definitely going to bookmark this discussion for future reference. The way everyone explained the "why" behind the rules instead of just memorizing answers is exactly what I needed to really grasp these concepts. Corporate tax can feel overwhelming with all the interconnected sections, but discussions like this make it much more manageable!

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This discussion has been incredibly helpful for understanding corporate liquidation rules! I work in tax compliance and see these issues come up regularly with our corporate clients. One practical tip I'd add: when dealing with liquidation scenarios, always create a timeline of when assets were contributed versus when the liquidation occurs. The 5-year rule under Section 336(d)(2) that was mentioned is crucial for determining loss recognition, and it's easy to miss if you don't map out the dates carefully. Also, for anyone dealing with similar situations in practice, remember that Section 336 applies to ALL property distributed in a complete liquidation - not just the loss property. So in this case, Zenith would also recognize the $180k gain on Greenfield distributed to Brad ($780k FMV - $600k basis). The corporation essentially has a complete "deemed sale" of all assets at fair market value. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread - the explanations about why Section 336 overrides Section 311 in complete liquidations really clarified a concept I've struggled with!

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Thanks for that practical tip about creating a timeline! That's such a smart approach - I can see how easy it would be to overlook the 5-year rule if you're not methodical about tracking contribution dates versus liquidation dates. Your point about Section 336 applying to ALL distributed property is also really important. I was so focused on the loss property (Yellowfield) that I didn't fully consider that Brad's situation with Greenfield follows the same "deemed sale" principle. It's a good reminder that in complete liquidations, the corporation recognizes gain OR loss on every asset distributed, not just the problematic ones. This thread has been such a great learning experience - seeing both the theoretical explanations and practical implementation tips really helps solidify these complex concepts. Corporate tax has so many interconnected rules that discussions like this are invaluable for understanding how everything fits together!

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