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Jade O'Malley

Switching from Sole Proprietorship to Qualified Joint Venture (QJV) for Spouses - Questions

My husband has been running a small business as a sole proprietorship for about 5 years, and I've been working as his employee. We're looking to change our structure so we can split everything more equally between us. I've been researching Qualified Joint Ventures and have a few questions. Can we switch our current sole prop to a QJV? Since I'm technically his employee right now, is this even allowed or are there restrictions? Also, our twin boys (they'll be 19 in a couple months) work for the business as regular employees with W-2s and everything. Would we still be able to have them as employees if we switch to a QJV structure? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! We're trying to file taxes properly this year without complicating things with a partnership return.

You absolutely can switch from a sole proprietorship where you're an employee to a Qualified Joint Venture! This is actually exactly what QJVs were designed for - married couples who jointly own and operate a business. The big advantage is that instead of your husband filing Schedule C and you being his W-2 employee, you'd each file your own Schedule C reporting your respective shares of the business (typically 50/50, but could be different percentages). This can actually save you money since you'll avoid paying FUTA and other employment taxes that come with having you as an employee. And yes, you can definitely still have employees with a QJV! Your sons can continue as W-2 employees just like before. The QJV status only affects how you and your spouse report your ownership - it doesn't change anything about how you handle other employees. To make the switch, you'll need to make sure you meet the QJV requirements: you must be married filing jointly, both materially participate in the business, and be the only owners. You don't need to file any special election forms - you just start filing your taxes as a QJV.

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Ella Lewis

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This is super helpful! Quick question - do they need to amend previous years' returns when they make this change? Or can they just start fresh with the QJV structure for 2024?

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No need to amend previous returns. You can simply start fresh with the QJV structure for the current tax year. The IRS allows you to change your business structure, and you'd begin reporting as a QJV on your next tax return. Just make sure you're keeping good records from the transition date forward, clearly documenting the division of income and expenses between you and your spouse.

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Did this tool help with figuring out the self-employment tax situation? That's my biggest concern with switching to a QJV - understanding how the SE taxes get divided.

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Alexis Renard

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I'm a bit skeptical about these tax tools. Did it actually provide anything you couldn't get from just reading the IRS website? Was it worth it compared to just asking a CPA?

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It absolutely covered the self-employment tax situation in detail. It showed us how each spouse reports their share of income on separate Schedule Cs and pays their own self-employment tax. Actually saved us money compared to the previous arrangement where only one of us was paying SE tax and the other was on payroll. Regarding whether it provided more than the IRS website - definitely yes. The IRS info is correct but pretty general. This tool gave us personalized guidance based on our specific situation and previous returns. We did consult with our CPA, but having the detailed analysis beforehand made that meeting much more productive and focused.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure both you and your husband are actually "materially participating" in the business for it to qualify as a QJV. The IRS has specific tests for material participation, and both spouses must meet them. The most common way to satisfy this is if you both work at least 500 hours in the business during the year. But there are other tests too if you don't meet that threshold.

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Jade O'Malley

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That's a really good point about material participation! Do you know if there's a specific way we need to document our hours to prove this? I definitely work in the business regularly, but my husband handles more of the day-to-day operations.

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There's no specific IRS-mandated format for tracking hours, but you should definitely keep some kind of log or documentation. A simple spreadsheet or even a calendar where you note your work hours can be sufficient. The key is having something contemporaneous (recorded at the time, not created later) that shows your regular involvement. Consider tracking not just hours but also the types of activities you're doing in the business - management decisions, customer interactions, administrative tasks, etc. This gives a more complete picture of your material participation beyond just the raw hours.

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Max Knight

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Has anyone filed taxes as a QJV using TurboTax or other DIY software? Is it easy to set up or should I use a CPA the first year?

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Emma Swift

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I used TurboTax last year for our QJV and it was pretty straightforward. The key is that you'll file one joint return, but you'll each complete a separate Schedule C. TurboTax Home & Business handles this well - there's a section specifically for QJVs where you can allocate the business income/expenses between spouses.

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Great question! I've been following this discussion closely since my wife and I are considering a similar transition. One thing I'd add is to make sure you understand the liability implications of switching to a QJV. Unlike a sole proprietorship where only one spouse is typically liable for business debts, with a QJV both spouses become jointly and severally liable for all business obligations. This means creditors can go after either spouse's personal assets for business debts. Also, regarding your sons as employees - definitely keep them as W-2 employees rather than trying to bring them into the QJV structure. The IRS is very strict that QJVs can only include the married couple as owners. Having your kids as regular employees actually provides better liability protection and clearer tax treatment. One more tip: consider getting an EIN for the QJV even though it's not strictly required. It can make banking and business transactions cleaner, especially when dealing with vendors who expect a business tax ID.

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Rajan Walker

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This is really helpful information about the liability aspects! I hadn't fully considered that both my husband and I would become personally liable for business debts with a QJV. That's definitely something we need to discuss before making the switch. The point about getting an EIN is interesting too - we've been using my husband's SSN for the sole prop, but having a separate business tax ID does sound like it would make things cleaner going forward. Do you know if there are any downsides to getting an EIN for a QJV, or is it pretty much all upside? Also, thanks for confirming about keeping our sons as W-2 employees. We definitely don't want to complicate their tax situation or create any issues with the IRS by trying to include them in the ownership structure.

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