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Lena Kowalski

Should we set up as S-Corp, LLC or something else for our mobile app? Two founders looking at $800k yearly revenue

So my buddy and I built this mobile app that's doing really well - way better than we expected tbh. We're looking at about $800k in revenue this year if things keep going the way they are. The issue is we haven't really set up any official business structure yet and tax season is coming up fast. Here's our situation: I'm in Michigan and he's in Colorado. We split everything 50/50 and have just been dumping the app store payments into a shared account. Neither of us has much business experience - we're just software devs who got lucky with our side project. We've heard about LLCs and S-Corps but not sure which would be better for our situation with the different states and this level of income. Is there something else we should consider instead? Partnership? C-Corp? We want to make sure we're not paying way more taxes than we need to while also keeping things as simple as possible. Really appreciate any advice on the best structure for taxes and liability protection. We're both pretty clueless about the business side of things.

You've got a great problem to have! At $800k revenue, entity selection becomes really important. Here's what you should think about: An LLC taxed as an S-Corporation is often the best option for your situation. This gives you liability protection of an LLC plus potential tax savings of an S-Corp. With $800k in revenue, you'd save on self-employment taxes by taking reasonable salaries and the rest as distributions. For multi-state operations, you'll need to register your LLC in one state as your home base, then register as a "foreign LLC" doing business in the other state. One of you will be dealing with two state tax returns. Don't wait on this - you're likely operating as a partnership by default right now, which gives you zero liability protection. Also, you'll want to get an operating agreement in place ASAP that spells out ownership percentages, roles, and what happens if one of you wants out.

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This is helpful but I'm confused about the "reasonable salary" part. How do we determine what's reasonable? And does it matter that we're in different states for the S-Corp election?

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For reasonable salary, the IRS wants to see you paying yourself what you'd pay someone else to do your job. For software developers with your revenue, probably $120-150k each would be reasonable, but it varies by location. Document how you arrived at the figure. For the different states, the S-Corp election itself isn't affected, but you'll need to file in both states. Typically you'd form in one state where one of you lives, then register as a foreign entity in the other state. You'll pay state taxes based on where the income is earned.

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Does this actually work for calculating the state-specific stuff? Like does it know about Michigan's filing requirements vs Colorado's? I'm in a similar situation but with Oregon and Texas.

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I'm skeptical. $800k is a lot of money and entity selection is complicated. Wouldn't they need to talk to an actual CPA who specializes in multi-state taxation instead of using some online tool?

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One thing nobody's mentioned - have you considered a C-Corp with an 83(b) election? If you're planning to seek investors or eventually sell the app, this structure could be much more advantageous, especially with the qualified small business stock exclusion. We went this route with our SaaS app and it saved us millions when we sold. S-Corps can be great for maximizing current income but terrible for exit planning. Also, with your level of income, you might want to look at retirement plan options - C-Corps can do some things S-Corps can't with defined benefit plans. Talk to a business attorney who specializes in tech companies, not just a general CPA. The right structure now could save you a fortune later.

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That's really interesting - we haven't considered potential investors yet but it's definitely possible down the road. What kind of exit tax differences are there between S-Corp and C-Corp? And what's this 83(b) election you mentioned?

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The biggest difference is with the Qualified Small Business Stock (QSBS) exclusion under Section 1202. If you structure as a C-Corp from the beginning, hold the stock for 5+ years, and meet certain requirements, you could exclude up to 100% of your capital gains taxes when you sell - potentially saving millions depending on your exit value. The 83(b) election is for founder stock that vests over time. It lets you pay taxes on the full value of your shares when they're granted (usually very low) rather than as they vest (potentially much higher). You file it within 30 days of receiving stock. S-Corps don't qualify for QSBS, and their ownership restrictions (no foreign investors, no corporate investors, only one class of stock) can be very limiting for raising capital. Many tech investors won't touch S-Corps.

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Just a quick reality check - what are your actual profits after expenses on that $800k? Entity selection matters way more if you're keeping a significant portion vs if you're reinvesting most of it back into growth. Also, make sure you've set aside enough for quarterly estimated taxes! I learned this the hard way with my app - got hit with a massive tax bill plus penalties because we were just keeping everything in that shared account and not making proper tax payments throughout the year.

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After server costs, marketing, and some contractor help, we're keeping about $650k in profit. We're not reinvesting much since the app doesn't need a ton of ongoing development. And no, we haven't been making quarterly payments... ugh, are we in trouble? How do we figure out what we should have been paying?

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With $650k in profit, you're definitely going to want to optimize your entity structure - that's a lot of taxable income! Based on that profit margin, I'd strongly lean toward the LLC taxed as S-Corp route others have mentioned. Regarding the quarterly payments, you're potentially looking at underpayment penalties, but don't panic. If this is your first year with this income, the penalties might not be too severe. You should immediately talk to a tax professional about making a large estimated payment now to minimize further penalties. For ballpark numbers, you should have each been paying roughly 30-35% of your share of profits in quarterly installments. A good CPA can help you calculate the exact amounts needed for your specific situation and set you up with a system for next year.

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With $650k in profit split between two people, you're definitely in territory where entity structure makes a huge difference. Here's my take as someone who's been through this: LLC taxed as S-Corp is probably your best bet, but don't sleep on the timing. You can make the S-Corp election for 2024 taxes if you file Form 2553 by March 15, 2025, or you might qualify for late election relief if you have reasonable cause. For the quarterly payments issue - yes, you're likely facing underpayment penalties, but it's not the end of the world. The IRS penalty is usually around 8% annually on the underpaid amount. Since this appears to be your first year with significant income, you might qualify for some relief. Quick action items: 1. Make a large estimated payment ASAP for Q4 2024 to minimize additional penalties 2. Set up your LLC and make the S-Corp election 3. Get that operating agreement drafted - with $650k in play, you need clear exit clauses 4. Start taking reasonable salaries immediately once you elect S-Corp status The salary vs distribution split will save you thousands in self-employment taxes. At your income level, you're probably looking at $120-140k salary each, with the rest as distributions. Don't try to DIY this - get a CPA who specializes in multi-state businesses and tech companies. The money you save in taxes and penalties will more than pay for proper professional help.

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