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Self-employment tax question: Better to buy an SUV and depreciate or lease and write off for my sole proprietorship?

I need some advice about the most tax-efficient way to add an SUV to my landscaping business. I'd be using it about 90% for business purposes (client visits, hauling small equipment, etc). The models I'm looking at run around $65K, or I could lease for roughly $750/month. I don't put enough miles on vehicles for the standard mileage deduction to make sense in my situation. What's the smartest approach tax-wise? Should I purchase outright and depreciate over time, or lease and deduct the payments? I've tried researching online but keep getting conflicting information. Also, since I operate as a sole proprietorship, can I purchase the SUV in my personal name and still claim the business deduction? Or does the vehicle title need to match my business name? I found some information about 2025 depreciation limits that shows: - $10,000 for year 1 - $16,000 for year 2 - $9,600 for year 3 - $5,760 for each year after Is this accurate? So over 5 years I could depreciate around $47,120 total? And do these limits only apply to SUVs under 6,000 lbs, or is the weight threshold only relevant for Section 179 deductions? Can I also deduct the loan interest on top of the depreciation? For leasing, I keep seeing references to an "inclusion amount" but I'm not clear what that means. For a $65K vehicle, the inclusion amount looks to be around $82. Does that mean I can write off the entire lease payment except for $82 total? Or is it $82 monthly? If I lease, can I deduct the upfront dealer fees and acquisition costs? And if I purchase the SUV at the end of the lease term, can I then depreciate the purchase amount?

The decision between buying vs leasing really depends on your specific business situation, but I can clear up some of your questions. Yes, you can purchase the SUV in your personal name and still take the business deduction on your Schedule C as long as you maintain good records showing the business usage percentage (90% in your case). Those depreciation limits look generally correct for SUVs between 6,000-14,000 lbs gross vehicle weight. For vehicles under 6,000 lbs, the limits are lower. For vehicles over 6,000 lbs, you have additional options, including potentially using Section 179 to deduct a larger amount in year one (up to $28,000 for 2025). Yes, you can deduct the business portion of interest on a vehicle loan in addition to depreciation. For leases, the "inclusion amount" is an adjustment that reduces your deduction slightly. It's calculated annually (not monthly) and is based on the fair market value of the vehicle. It's the IRS's way of equalizing the tax benefits between buying and leasing luxury vehicles. With a lease, you can typically deduct acquisition fees as part of your lease expense (spread over the lease term). If you purchase at the end of the lease, you would then depreciate the purchase price over the remaining recovery period.

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Thanks for the detailed response! A follow-up question about the Section 179 deduction - if I purchase an SUV over 6,000 lbs, can I deduct the full $28,000 in year one even if I only use it 90% for business? Or would I need to adjust that to $25,200 (90% of $28,000)? Also, I'm curious about the long-term tax implications. If I sell the vehicle after 5 years, do I have to report the sale? And would that potentially create a "recapture" situation if I sell it for more than the depreciated value?

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You would need to adjust the Section 179 deduction based on your business use percentage, so you're correct - it would be $25,200 (90% of $28,000) for year one. Yes, if you sell the vehicle later, you would need to report the sale on your tax return. If you sell it for more than its depreciated value (book value), you would have depreciation recapture, which is generally taxed as ordinary income up to the amount of depreciation you've taken. Any amount above the original purchase price would be treated as capital gain. This is one advantage of leasing - you avoid potential recapture issues since you're not the owner.

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I switched from buying to leasing my business vehicles a couple years ago and it's made my tax situation so much easier. I discovered this tool called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that helped me analyze which approach would save more money in my specific situation. I uploaded my previous years' vehicle expenses and depreciation schedules, and it ran calculations showing that leasing would actually save me about $3,800 over 5 years compared to purchasing. The tool also created documentation showing exactly how to report the lease payments correctly on my Schedule C, and explained that inclusion amount thing that was confusing you (it's an annual adjustment, not monthly). It even had recommendations about record-keeping for business vs personal use that my accountant said were spot on.

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Did this taxr.ai thing help with calculating the actual inclusion amount? My CPA charges me extra each year to do that calculation and I'm wondering if I could just figure it out myself with the right tool.

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - if you're self-employed, the SUV choice can affect your self-employment taxes too. If buying means taking a large depreciation deduction upfront, that reduces both income tax AND self-employment tax. With leasing, you're spreading those deductions over time. In my case (plumbing business), I found buying a heavy SUV and taking Section 179 saved me about $4,200 in combined income and SE taxes in year one compared to leasing. But by year 3-5, the lease started looking better because of maintenance costs on the vehicle I owned. Also, don't forget to look at fuel efficiency differences. A gas-guzzling SUV that qualifies for bigger tax breaks might cost you more in the long run than a more efficient one with smaller tax advantages.

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Does this calculation change if you have an S-Corp instead of a sole proprietorship? I thought S-Corp owners don't pay SE tax on all business income?

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You're right - with an S-Corp the calculation is different because you're only paying SE tax (actually FICA taxes in this case) on your reasonable salary, not on all business profits. In an S-Corp scenario, the depreciation deduction would still reduce your overall business income, but may not have the same SE tax savings as with a sole proprietorship where every dollar of business profit is subject to SE tax. However, you'd still get the income tax savings from the deduction. That's why some tax professionals recommend buying and taking large upfront deductions for sole proprietors, but might have different recommendations for S-Corp owners.

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Has anyone here used an electric SUV for business? I'm wondering if the EV tax credits would change this calculation significantly. Like could I get the business vehicle deduction AND the clean vehicle credit?

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Yes! I got both for my business Tesla Model Y last year. The clean vehicle credit has some income limitations and vehicle price caps, but if you qualify, it's a straight $7,500 credit on top of your business deductions. The vehicle has to be under $80K for SUVs to qualify. Just remember that the business percentage applies to the depreciation/expenses, but the full clean vehicle credit applies regardless of business use (as long as you qualify based on income, etc).

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That's awesome! Do you know if leasing an EV would still qualify for these benefits? I'm not sure I want to buy outright.

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