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Jamal Harris

Self-Employed HOH with Adult Dependents - Tax Liability or Refund Expectations?

Filing self-employed for 2023, I'm curious about my potential outcome. Isn't it interesting how different the tax situation becomes when your kids age out of certain credits? My daughters are now 20 and 18, and I'm filing as Head of Household with around $35k in self-employment income. I didn't make any federal estimated tax payments throughout the year—perhaps not the wisest move? Anyone care to weigh in on whether I should expect a refund or prepare to write a check to the IRS? And how significant might that payment be if I'm on the hook?

Based on your situation, you're likely looking at owing taxes. Per IRC Section 1401, self-employment income is subject to both income tax and self-employment tax (15.3% for Social Security and Medicare). Without estimated payments, you haven't covered this obligation yet. However, there's hope - as Head of Household with $35k income, you qualify for a higher standard deduction ($20,800 for 2023), which will offset some of your income tax. Your daughters being over 17 means you won't get the full Child Tax Credit, but you might qualify for Other Dependent Credit ($500 each) if they meet dependency tests under Section 152(c) of the tax code. I understand this transition can be challenging financially.

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This breakdown is extremely helpful. I went through something similar last year when my son turned 18. First step: calculate your SE tax. Next, determine if you can claim your daughters as dependents. Then figure your income tax after deductions. Finally, see if you qualify for any credits to offset what you owe. The HOH filing status will definitely help lower your tax bracket.

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Oh my goodness, so even though my kids are adults now, I might still be able to claim them as dependents? Is that right? I thought once they hit 18 I couldn't claim them anymore! Does it matter if they're in college or if they have jobs?

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Have you considered whether your daughters still qualify as your dependents? The rules changed significantly after 2018. For the 18-year-old, did she live with you for more than half the year? For the 20-year-old, was she a full-time student for at least 5 months? Both would need to not provide more than half of their own support. This could significantly impact your tax situation, as could any business expenses you might be able to deduct. What percentage of your income typically goes to business expenses? Have you been tracking mileage, home office, or other potential deductions?

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Dependent status matters hugely. My daughter is 19. Full-time student. I can still claim her. Saved me thousands. Business expenses are critical too. Track everything. Every mile. Every receipt. Every subscription. It adds up fast.

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As of January 12, 2024, the IRS confirmed that the rules for claiming adult dependents remain unchanged from last year. Have you considered whether your daughters provided less than half of their own support during 2023? This is often the determining factor, especially if they had jobs but you still covered most of their housing, food, education, and medical expenses.

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Do we know if OP has been making quarterly estimated payments? I'm worried they might also face underpayment penalties if they haven't been making any payments throughout the year...

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You might, potentially, be facing a significant tax bill, especially considering you didn't make estimated payments throughout the year. If you find yourself owing more than you can pay immediately, you should probably consider contacting the IRS directly to discuss payment options. In my experience, trying to reach them can be somewhat frustrating and time-consuming. I eventually used Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) to get through to an agent without the hours-long wait. It was possibly the best decision I made when dealing with my own self-employment tax issues last year. They got me connected to someone who could actually help set up a reasonable payment plan.

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After analyzing your situation using standard tax calculations, I estimate you're likely facing approximately $4,950 in self-employment tax (Schedule SE) plus approximately $1,500 in income tax after the standard HOH deduction, assuming no significant business deductions. Your total tax liability would be approximately $6,450. However, you may qualify for the Earned Income Credit depending on your daughters' dependency status and the Other Dependent Credit ($500 per qualifying dependent). You should immediately prepare Form 1040-ES for 2024 to begin making quarterly estimated payments (April 15, June 17, Sept 16, and Jan 15, 2025) to avoid this situation next year. The underpayment penalty may apply to your 2023 return per IRC 6654 unless you meet a safe harbor exception.

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I ignored quarterly payments for three years in a row when I was self-employed back in 2020-2022. Ended up with a $12,000 tax bill plus penalties that took me 18 months to pay off. The IRS added both failure-to-pay penalties AND interest to my balance every month. What makes it worse is that I could have easily qualified for the Qualified Business Income deduction under Section 199A and several business expense deductions that would have cut my liability by 30-40%. Don't make the same mistake - get professional help with your return this year and set up proper quarterly payments for 2024.

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Was in your exact shoes last year with $38k self-employment and two kids over 18. Thought I was going to owe thousands, but you know what? After claiming my legitimate business deductions (home office, mileage, supplies, health insurance premiums), the QBI deduction, and finding out my 19-year-old still qualified as my dependent because she was a full-time student, I only ended up owing $2,100. Not great, but way better than the $7k I was panicking about! Set up an IRS payment plan and now I'm making quarterly payments for 2024. Doesn't the whole self-employment tax system seem designed to trip us up?

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I'm in almost the identical situation - self-employed with around $36k income and two adult kids (19 and 21). What I learned from my tax preparer last year is that the key factors are: 1) Whether your daughters qualify as dependents (the college student rule for the 20-year-old is crucial), 2) Tracking every possible business expense you can legitimately claim, and 3) Don't forget about the QBI deduction which can reduce your taxable income by up to 20%. Based on similar situations I've seen in this community, you're probably looking at owing somewhere between $3,000-$5,000, but it could be significantly less with proper deductions. The good news is the IRS offers reasonable payment plans if you can't pay it all at once. Have you been keeping receipts for business expenses throughout the year?

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This is really helpful! I'm new to being self-employed and had no idea about the QBI deduction - that sounds like it could make a big difference. Can you explain more about what qualifies as legitimate business expenses? I've been keeping some receipts but I'm honestly not sure what I can and can't deduct. Also, for the college student rule - does it matter if my daughter is taking online classes or does it have to be traditional on-campus enrollment? I'm trying to figure out if I've been overthinking this whole tax situation or if I really should be as worried as I am!

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