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Diego Chavez

Section 174 R&D Tax Deduction: 5-year or 15-year Amortization Schedule Question

Hey tax community, I'm trying to figure out this Section 174 amortization thing for my small tech business. We spent about $78,000 on software development last year that would qualify as R&D expenses under Section 174. From what I understand, the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act changed how these expenses are handled, and now we have to amortize them instead of deducting them all at once. But I'm getting conflicting information about whether it's over 5 years for domestic research or 15 years for foreign research. Most of our development was done by our team here in the US, but we did contract with an overseas developer for about 25% of the work. Does this mean I have to split the expenses and use different amortization schedules? Or is there a "predominant use" rule where I can use the 5-year schedule since most of the work was domestic? My accountant is honestly a bit confused too, and I'm trying to get this right before filing. Has anyone dealt with Section 174 amortization for mixed domestic/foreign R&D expenses?

NeonNebula

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This is a great question about Section 174 R&D expenses. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act did indeed change how these expenses are treated, requiring capitalization and amortization rather than immediate expensing. For domestic research, you're correct that it's a 5-year amortization period. For foreign research, it's 15 years. Since you have both types, you'll need to allocate the expenses accordingly. There's no "predominant use" rule that allows you to use just one schedule. You'll need to track and separate the $78,000 based on where the research activities physically took place. The approximately $58,500 (75%) for domestic research would be amortized over 5 years, while the $19,500 (25%) for foreign research would be amortized over 15 years. This would be reported separately on your tax return.

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Diego Chavez

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Thanks for that clear explanation! So just to confirm, I need to break out the expenses based on where the actual work happened, not where my company is based, right? Also, do I start amortizing these expenses mid-year or is there a specific start date I should use?

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NeonNebula

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Yes, you need to allocate based on where the research activities physically occurred, not where your company is headquartered. The geographic location of the actual R&D work determines whether you use the 5-year or 15-year schedule. For the amortization start date, Section 174 expenses begin in the month the research expenses are paid or incurred. You'll use the half-year convention in the first year, meaning you get 6 months of amortization in year 1 regardless of when during the year the expenses occurred. This applies to both the domestic and foreign portions.

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Sean Kelly

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Did you find it was able to handle contractor expenses correctly? I'm in a similar situation but I'm worried about misclassifying some of our overseas contractors who sometimes work remotely from different countries throughout the year.

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Zara Mirza

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How does it handle mixed projects where the same feature had both US and foreign development? Our team is split between offices, and I've been manually calculating percentages which is a nightmare.

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Luca Russo

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Nia Harris

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GalaxyGazer

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I need to eat my words after my skeptical comment. After another failed morning trying to reach someone at the IRS about my Section 174 questions, I decided to try Claimyr out of desperation. Within 20 minutes, I was talking to an actual IRS business tax specialist. The agent clarified several things about Section 174 that my CPA had wrong, including how to handle contractors who work partly in the US and partly overseas. He confirmed I needed to track time by location and split the expenses accordingly. He also mentioned there are some proposed legislative changes to Section 174 that might allow immediate expensing again in the future, but for 2023 and 2024 filings, we definitely need to use the 5/15 year schedules. Would have taken me weeks to get this information otherwise.

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Mateo Sanchez

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Has anyone successfully used Form 3115 (Change in Accounting Method) to correct Section 174 treatment from previous years? We incorrectly expensed all our R&D costs in 2022 instead of amortizing them, and I'm trying to figure out if we need to amend or can use Form 3115 going forward.

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NeonNebula

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You're in luck - Form 3115 is exactly what you need here. Since this is a change in accounting method, you can file Form 3115 with your current year return rather than amending prior returns. You'll need to calculate a "481(a) adjustment" to account for the difference between what you deducted and what you should have capitalized and amortized.

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Mateo Sanchez

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Thank you! That's such a relief. I was dreading having to file amended returns. Do you know which automatic accounting method change number I should use for the Section 174 correction on Form 3115?

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NeonNebula

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You'll want to use automatic change number 265 for Section 174 expenses. It's specifically for changing from an impermissible method of deducting research and experimental expenditures to a permissible method of capitalizing and amortizing them under Section 174. Make sure to include a detailed statement with your Form 3115 that shows your calculation of the Section 481(a) adjustment, breaking out the domestic versus foreign research expenses and their respective 5-year and 15-year amortization schedules.

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Aisha Mahmood

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Does anyone know if the Build America, Buy America Act influences whether research is considered domestic? We manufacture in the US but use some imported components in our R&D prototypes.

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Ethan Moore

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The Build America, Buy America Act doesn't directly affect Section 174 R&D expense classification. For Section 174, what matters is where the actual research activities are physically performed, not where components or materials come from. If your team is doing the R&D work in the US, it's domestic research (5-year schedule) even if you're using imported components in your prototypes.

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Aisha Mahmood

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That's a relief! We were worried we'd have to track the origin of every component. So just to be clear, if we're conducting the actual research activities in our US facility, we use the 5-year schedule regardless of component sourcing?

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Ethan Moore

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Exactly right. The physical location where the research activities take place determines the amortization period, not the origin of the materials or components used. Since your actual R&D work is happening in your US facility, those expenses fall under the 5-year schedule. The sourcing of components doesn't change this classification.

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I'm dealing with a similar Section 174 situation but have an additional wrinkle - we're a software company that does both internal R&D for our own products and contract R&D work for clients. Does anyone know if the Section 174 amortization rules apply differently to contract R&D work versus internal R&D? Our accountant thinks the contract work might be treated as regular business expenses rather than Section 174 R&D expenses since we're being paid by clients for that work. But I'm not sure if that's correct, especially since the actual research activities are the same whether we're doing them for ourselves or for clients. Has anyone encountered this distinction between internal versus contract R&D work under Section 174?

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