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Amina Toure

Section 174 R&D Expense Amortization: 5 years or 15 years schedule for tax deductions?

Hey tax folks, I'm drowning in confusion about Section 174 research and development expenses for my small tech business. I've been trying to figure out if I need to amortize these costs over 5 years or 15 years on my upcoming tax return. I spent about $87,000 last year on developing our new software product. My previous accountant left suddenly, and my new tax guy is saying something completely different about how to handle these costs. The first guy said 5 years, new one is saying 15 years for foreign research. The thing is, we did about 75% of our R&D work domestically, but outsourced some specialized coding to contractors in Europe. Does that mean I have to use different amortization schedules for different portions of the expense? Or does the location of the majority of the work determine which schedule applies to everything? This makes a huge difference in my deductions for this year, and I'm stressed about getting it right. Any help would be massively appreciated!

The confusion is understandable - Section 174 went through significant changes in recent years. Here's the straightforward breakdown: For domestic research and experimentation expenses (conducted in the US), you'll use a 5-year amortization period. For foreign R&D (conducted outside the US), the amortization period is 15 years. Since your R&D is mixed, you'll need to allocate the expenses based on where the work was performed. The $65,250 (75% of $87,000) spent on domestic R&D would be amortized over 5 years, while the $21,750 (25%) spent on foreign R&D would be amortized over 15 years. You'll track these separately on your tax forms. This isn't an all-or-nothing situation - the location of the majority doesn't determine the schedule for everything. You need to separate domestic and foreign expenses and apply the appropriate schedule to each portion.

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Thanks for the explanation. So if I understand correctly, I need to split up my R&D expenses based on where the work happened? What about situations where I paid a US company but they had some of their team in other countries working on my project? Do I need to ask them for a breakdown of domestic vs foreign hours?

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You'd need to make a reasonable allocation based on where the actual work was performed, not just who you paid. If you contracted with a US company that used overseas workers for part of your project, ideally you should request documentation showing the split between domestic and foreign work. If the contractor can't provide an exact breakdown, you'll need to make a reasonable estimate based on the information you have. Documentation is key here - keep records of your calculation method and any information provided by your contractors to support your allocation if you're ever audited.

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Freya Thomsen

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One thing no one has mentioned yet - if your business has foreign subsidiaries or branches that are conducting the R&D, the analysis gets even more complex. The location of the employee/contractor is what matters, not the location of the entity paying them. We have R&D staff in the US, Canada, and India, and we had to create detailed time tracking to properly allocate the expenses. Our US parent company pays everyone, but we still have to split the amortization between 5-year and 15-year schedules based on where each person physically performed the work.

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Amina Toure

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Thanks for bringing this up! We don't have foreign subsidiaries, but we do have some contractors who travel between countries. For example, one of our main developers spent 3 months working from Spain last year but was still working for our US-based business. Would his expenses during that time count as foreign R&D even though he's normally US-based?

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Freya Thomsen

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Yes, that would count as foreign R&D during the period he was physically working in Spain. The IRS looks at where the work was actually performed, regardless of the person's normal location or who they're employed by. This is where good documentation becomes crucial. You should track the dates your developer was abroad and allocate that portion of their compensation to foreign R&D (15-year amortization). The work performed while physically in the US would fall under domestic R&D (5-year amortization).

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Omar Zaki

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Has anyone actually filed taxes yet with these new Section 174 rules? What software are you using? I tried entering my split domestic/foreign R&D expenses in TurboTax Business and it doesn't seem to have a way to separate them properly. It's just asking for a total R&D amount without any way to specify 5-year vs 15-year portions.

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AstroAce

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I used TaxAct Premium and had the same issue at first. The workaround I found was to create two separate entries under the R&D section - one that I labeled "Domestic R&D" and another labeled "Foreign R&D." Then I manually calculated the amortization schedules in a spreadsheet and entered the current year's amortization amount for each. Not ideal but it worked.

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Omar Zaki

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Thanks for the tip! I'll try that approach. Did you have to attach any supplemental documentation to explain how you split the expenses? I'm worried the IRS might question why I have two separate R&D entries if the software doesn't clearly distinguish between domestic and foreign.

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Jordan Walker

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This is exactly the kind of complex situation where having proper documentation becomes critical. From what I've seen in practice, the IRS is paying close attention to Section 174 compliance, especially with the domestic vs. foreign split. A few practical tips for your situation: First, create a detailed spreadsheet that breaks down each R&D expense by contractor/employee and tracks where the work was physically performed. For your European contractors, get written confirmation of where they were located while working on your project. Second, for the mixed work scenarios others mentioned, request time logs or work location records from contractors when possible. The key is being able to demonstrate a reasonable basis for your allocation. I've found that contemporaneous records (created at the time the work was done) carry much more weight than reconstructed documentation later. Even if you can't get perfect records, document your methodology and the information you relied on to make the split. One more thing - consider having a tax professional review your allocation before filing. The penalties for getting Section 174 wrong can be significant, and this is one area where the upfront cost of professional review often pays for itself in avoided issues down the road.

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Grace Durand

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This is really helpful advice about documentation! I'm curious about one specific scenario - what if I paid a contractor through a US-based platform like Upwork, but later found out they were actually working from another country? I have invoices showing payments to what appeared to be US contractors, but some of them may have been abroad. How should I handle the allocation in cases where I genuinely didn't know the work location at the time? Would good faith reliance on the platform's contractor profiles be sufficient justification for treating it as domestic R&D?

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