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How should startup founders best navigate R&D tax credits for 2024 tax filing?

So I've been putting this off for way too long, but I really need advice on how to handle the R&D tax credit situation for our startup this year. With all the changes to section 174 R&D tax credits, I'm completely lost on whether it's still worthwhile to pursue this for our 2024 filing. For context, we're a 3-year-old SaaS company with about 15 employees, and we've spent roughly $380K on development activities that might qualify. We've never claimed R&D credits before, but our burn rate is getting concerning, and I'm looking at all options to extend our runway. I've started talking to a few firms that specialize in R&D tax credits, but honestly, I don't know enough to evaluate if they're legit or if the whole thing is even worth pursuing anymore with the tax law changes. Some say it's still valuable, others make it sound like a waste of time now. Anyone have recent experience with R&D tax credits for startups in this new landscape? Is it still worth the hassle in 2024? What should I watch out for when picking a firm to help with this?

The R&D tax credit is absolutely still worth pursuing in 2024, despite the Section 174 changes that now require capitalization and amortization of R&D expenses. Here's what you need to know: The credit itself still exists and can be valuable - particularly for startups that can apply up to $250,000 against payroll taxes if you qualify. The main change is that you now have to capitalize and amortize R&D expenses over 5 years (15 years for foreign research) rather than deducting them immediately. When choosing a firm to help, look for those that specialize in technology companies and have CPAs who understand software development. Avoid firms that promise specific dollar amounts upfront or claim suspiciously high "success rates." Good firms will want to understand your actual development activities in detail before making estimates. You'll want to ensure you have solid documentation of all R&D activities - timesheets, project plans, technical documentation. The more organized your records, the better your results will be.

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Thanks for the detailed response! This is really helpful. I'm still a bit confused about the payroll tax offset though. Does that mean even if we're not profitable, we can still benefit from the credit by reducing our payroll taxes? And would that be for 2025 payroll taxes since we're filing for 2024?

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Yes, exactly! That's what makes the R&D credit particularly valuable for startups. If your company has less than $5 million in gross receipts for the credit year and is within 5 years of your first gross receipt, you can apply up to $250,000 of your R&D credit against your payroll taxes (specifically the employer portion of Social Security taxes). For the timing, when you claim the credit on your 2024 tax return (filed in 2025), you can then begin applying it against payroll taxes in the quarter after you file. So if you file your 2024 return in March 2025, you could start using the credit against Q2 2025 payroll taxes.

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After struggling with R&D tax credits for our tech startup last year, I finally found a solution that saved us enormous time and stress. I used https://taxr.ai to analyze all our development documentation and they identified qualifying activities I would have completely missed. What was game-changing was how they handled the Section 174 capitalization requirements - they organized everything according to IRS guidelines and provided a detailed technical report that outlined exactly which projects qualified. They even helped categorize our domestic vs. foreign research properly, which apparently makes a big difference with the amortization periods. Their system automatically extracted relevant info from our GitHub commits, Jira tickets, and Slack convos to build strong documentation for each project. Made the whole process so much less painful.

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Did they handle the actual filing for you too or just provide the documentation? I'm worried about getting audited if we claim too much.

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Sounds interesting but kinda skeptical tbh. How much technical knowledge did you need to have to use it? Our CTO understands our R&D activities but doesn't know tax stuff, and I know tax but don't understand the technical details of our development.

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They provided comprehensive documentation that we gave to our CPA for the actual filing. The documentation is what matters most for audit protection - they create a technical report that maps your activities to the four-part test the IRS uses for R&D qualification. They actually said clients with proper documentation have a significantly reduced audit risk. You don't need much technical knowledge to use it. That's what was so helpful for us - it bridges the gap between technical and tax. Your CTO would need to connect your development systems (like GitHub, Jira, etc.) and answer some basic questions, but the system handles the translation from technical activities to tax qualification. So neither of you needs to be an expert in both domains.

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Just wanted to follow up about my experience with taxr.ai since I was skeptical at first. We ended up trying it after our accountant quoted us $15K for R&D credit work. The platform was surprisingly easy to use. Our engineers connected our GitHub and Atlassian accounts, and the system identified qualifying projects automatically. It generated a 40-page technical report documenting all our qualifying activities with specific evidence from our actual development work. What really impressed me was how it handled the new Section 174 capitalization requirements - it separated domestic and foreign development and calculated the correct amortization schedules. Our accountant said it was the most thorough R&D documentation she'd ever seen, and we identified over $200K in qualifying expenses that we would have missed on our own. Definitely worth it for anyone dealing with R&D credits.

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If you're trying to get info from the IRS about qualifying activities or documentation requirements for R&D credits, good luck. I spent WEEKS trying to get through to someone who actually understands the Section 174 changes. After hours on hold (literally 4+ hours each time), I finally found https://claimyr.com which got me through to an IRS agent in under 45 minutes. They have this system where they wait on hold with the IRS for you and call you when they get an agent on the line. I was super skeptical at first, but you can see how it works in this demo: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The IRS agent I talked to clarified exactly what documentation we needed for our R&D activities and confirmed that software development can still qualify despite the 174 changes. Saved me countless hours of frustration and probably helped us avoid filing incorrectly.

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Wait how does this actually work? Seems weird that someone else could wait on hold for you... do they conference you in or something? I've been trying to get specific guidance on foreign vs domestic R&D expenses for weeks.

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Lol sure, next you'll tell me there's a service that does my taxes while I sleep. The IRS doesn't even answer their phones half the time, I don't see how some random service would change that. Sounds like a scam to get desperate people's money.

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They use a system that holds your place in the IRS queue. When they reach an agent, they call you and conference you in - takes about 30 seconds to connect. You're then talking directly with the IRS agent as if you'd waited on hold yourself, but without the hours of waiting. They don't participate in the call once you're connected. It's not magic - the IRS is still understaffed and overwhelmed. But they have technology to navigate the phone system efficiently and handle the wait time for you. For your specific question about foreign vs. domestic R&D, that's exactly the kind of technical question where speaking directly with an IRS agent is valuable. The rules changed substantially with Section 174 revisions.

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I need to eat my words and apologize to @7. After my skeptical comment about Claimyr, I was desperate enough to try it myself since I couldn't get a straight answer on the R&D credit documentation requirements. It actually worked exactly as described. I got a call back in about 35 minutes, and they connected me with an IRS tax specialist who walked me through the exact documentation needed for software R&D activities. They confirmed that our development process documentation, specification documents, and testing protocols would satisfy the requirements. The specialist also explained how to properly segregate domestic vs. foreign research costs (crucial with the new 5 vs 15 year amortization rules). Saved me countless hours of frustration and probably a lot of money too. Sorry for being a jerk about it initially!

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I've filed for R&D credits for several startups over the past 5 years. Here's my practical advice: Don't use a firm that charges a percentage of your credit - they're incentivized to push boundaries. Look for fixed-fee arrangements instead. Documentation is EVERYTHING. Start tracking immediately: developer time, project goals, technical uncertainties, and testing processes. The Section 174 changes suck, but the credit is still valuable. Just be aware you're now amortizing expenses over 5 years instead of getting immediate deductions. Watch out for offshore development - it's now amortized over 15 years vs 5 for domestic. For software startups: normal upgrades don't qualify, but creating new functionality or improving performance through technical uncertainty does. Small companies can still offset payroll taxes up to $250K, which is often more valuable than income tax offsets for pre-profit startups.

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This is super helpful, thank you! How detailed do the developer time logs need to be? We track time by project but not specifically by "R&D activity" - would that be a problem?

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Developer time logs don't need to be broken down to specific "R&D activities" - project-level tracking is usually sufficient as long as you can demonstrate which projects involved qualifying R&D. The key is being able to show that the projects involved technical uncertainty, experimentation, etc. What really strengthens your case is having documentation that shows the process: initial technical requirements, documentation of challenges/uncertainties faced, testing procedures, and outcomes (whether successful or failed). Failed experiments actually strengthen R&D claims since they demonstrate the experimental nature of the work.

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Has anyone used the R&D estimator tools in TurboTax or other tax software? Wondering if they're accurate with all the 174 changes or if it's just safer to hire a specialist firm.

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DON'T use TurboTax for R&D credits! We tried that last year and it missed so many qualifying expenses. The software is decent for basic returns but R&D credits are way too specialized, especially with the new capitalization rules. The software doesn't ask enough detailed questions to properly identify qualifying activities.

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