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Yara Sabbagh

S-Corp Owner with Negative Revenue - Do I Still Need to File Personal Income Tax Return?

I opened my S-Corporation at the start of last year and unfortunately ended up with negative revenue for the entire year. Because of this, I didn't pay myself any compensation. I'm the only owner and employee, and right now I don't have any other sources of income. My question is: do I still need to file a personal income tax return even though I didn't pay myself? Also, I'm wondering about carrying forward the losses - can I use this negative revenue to offset profits in the current tax year? That's what I understood from reading through the IRS documentation, but this is my first time dealing with all this so I'm pretty confused about the whole process. Thanks in advance for any guidance you can provide - really appreciate any help at all!

Yes, you absolutely need to file a personal tax return, even with negative S-Corp revenue and no compensation. The S-Corp is a pass-through entity, meaning all business profits AND losses flow to your personal tax return via Schedule K-1. Those negative earnings (net operating losses or NOLs) should be reported on your personal Form 1040. This is actually beneficial because you can use these losses to offset other income if you had any (like interest from savings accounts), and potentially carry them forward to offset future income. For your second question - yes, you can definitely carry forward those business losses to offset profits in future years. The S-Corp will issue you a K-1 showing your share of the loss, which you'll report on your personal return. These losses can generally be carried forward indefinitely until used up.

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Paolo Rizzo

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Thanks for the explanation! So just to be clear - even though I literally had ZERO income from any source last year, I still need to file? Is there a minimum income threshold where you don't have to file at all?

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Yes, you still need to file even with zero income. The IRS wants to know about those business losses, and filing establishes the record of those losses so you can use them in future tax years. The minimum filing thresholds (like $12,950 for single filers) generally apply to W-2 employees. As a business owner with an S-Corp, different rules apply. You need to report the business activity regardless of whether it generated positive income. Plus, filing now documents those losses properly so you can benefit from them in future tax years when your business becomes profitable.

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QuantumQuest

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GalaxyGlider

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One additional thing to consider - make sure you're keeping meticulous records of all your expenses that created the negative revenue. If the IRS ever questions your loss carryforwards, you'll need documentation for everything. I learned this the hard way when I got a letter asking for verification of my S-Corp losses from 2019!

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Yara Sabbagh

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Thank you everyone for all the helpful advice! I have another quick question - should I still file the S-Corp return (1120S) even with negative revenue? And is there a deadline difference between that and my personal return?

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GalaxyGlider

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Absolutely yes, you need to file the S-Corp return (Form 1120S) regardless of having negative revenue. This is actually even more important than your personal return in some ways because it establishes the business loss that flows to your personal taxes. For deadlines, S-Corp returns (1120S) are typically due on March 15th, while personal returns (1040) are due April 15th. So you'll need to prepare and file the business return first, as it will generate the K-1 you need for your personal return. Don't miss that March deadline or you could face penalties even with negative revenue.

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Just chiming in with a tip from someone who's been there - since this is your first year with an S-Corp loss, consider getting at least a consultation with a CPA who specializes in small business taxes. My first year, I tried doing it all myself and missed some key elections and documentation that would have given me better tax treatment. Cost me way more in the long run than just paying for proper advice upfront.

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I second this! S-Corps have some weird quirks. I got audited in 2021 because I didn't document my "reasonable compensation" decision properly even though I had losses. The IRS flagged it because I had no salary at all. A good CPA would have helped me avoid that headache.

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Just wanted to add something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you understand the "at-risk" and "passive activity" rules that can limit how much of your S-Corp losses you can actually deduct on your personal return. Even though the losses flow through to your personal taxes, you might not be able to use all of them immediately depending on how much you invested in the business and whether you materially participated in running it. Since you mentioned this is your first year dealing with S-Corp taxes, I'd really recommend documenting your time spent working in the business (even if unprofitable) to prove material participation. The IRS has specific tests for this, and if you don't meet them, your losses could be considered "passive" and limited in how they offset other income. Keep a log of hours worked, business activities, decision-making responsibilities, etc. Also, while everyone's mentioning the loss carryforward benefits (which are real), remember that S-Corp losses can only offset your basis in the company. If your losses exceed what you've actually invested in the S-Corp, you can't deduct the excess until you increase your basis through additional investments or loans to the company.

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Olivia Clark

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This is such an important point that I wish someone had explained to me when I started my S-Corp! The basis limitation really caught me off guard. I had put in $5,000 initially but had $12,000 in losses my first year. I couldn't deduct the full $12,000 until I either put more money into the business or it became profitable and increased my basis. The material participation documentation is crucial too. I learned this the hard way when I got questioned during an audit. Now I keep a detailed log of everything - meetings, business development calls, administrative work, even time spent learning about the industry. The IRS wants to see that you're actively running the business, not just a passive investor. One thing to add - if you do end up with suspended losses due to basis limitations, they don't disappear. They carry forward indefinitely until you have enough basis to use them. So keep good records of what you couldn't deduct each year!

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