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Question about Form 3520 for reporting gift from foreign parent - community property concerns

So I'm facing a weird tax situation and I hope someone can help clarify the rules. My mom isn't a US citizen or resident, but my dad is a US person for tax purposes. They live together in a country with community property laws (basically whatever one spouse owns, the other spouse also legally owns half of it). My mom doesn't file US taxes or elect to be treated as a US person for tax purposes. Here's my question: My mom wants to give me a substantial financial gift (around $125,000). Since she's technically a "foreign person" under tax rules, I'm wondering if this triggers the Form 3520 reporting requirement for receiving a large foreign gift. But I'm confused because under their country's community property laws, technically half of that money also belongs to my dad, who IS a US person. Does the entire gift amount need to be reported on Form 3520 because it's coming from my non-US mom? Or is it partially exempt from reporting because some of it technically belongs to my US dad under community property rules? I don't want to miss filing something important but also don't want to deal with unnecessary paperwork if I don't have to.

This is a great question that touches on some complex international tax reporting rules. The Form 3520 is used to report certain transactions with foreign trusts and receipt of certain foreign gifts. The general rule is that US persons must report gifts from foreign persons that exceed a certain threshold (adjusted annually for inflation - for 2024, it's $100,000 from foreign individuals). Since your mother is a non-US person, gifts from her would normally trigger this reporting requirement if they exceed the threshold. However, your situation has a community property twist. The IRS generally respects community property laws of foreign jurisdictions. This means that if your parents live in a true 50/50 community property jurisdiction, the gift from your mother could technically be viewed as coming 50% from her (a foreign person) and 50% from your father (a US person). The gift portion deemed to come from your US father wouldn't trigger Form 3520 reporting, but the portion from your non-US mother would still be subject to reporting requirements if it exceeds the threshold.

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That makes sense, but what if the gift is coming specifically from funds that my mom inherited from her family? In our country, inherited assets aren't always considered community property. Would that change things?

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If the funds your mother is gifting came from her separate property (like inheritance) that isn't considered community property under local law, then the entire gift would be considered as coming from a foreign person. In this case, the full amount would count toward the Form 3520 reporting threshold. Each country's community property laws have specific rules about what constitutes separate property versus community property. Inheritance is often treated as separate property, but this varies by jurisdiction. If these funds are legally considered your mother's separate property under her country's laws, then the entire gift would likely trigger the Form 3520 reporting requirement if it exceeds the threshold.

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I take back what I said about being skeptical of Claimyr. I finally broke down and tried it after spending literally 6 hours over 3 days trying to reach the IRS about my foreign gift situation. Got connected to an agent in about 25 minutes while I was just going about my day. The agent confirmed that gifts from a foreign spouse in a community property country can be treated as 50% from the foreign spouse and 50% from the US spouse IF the funds are community property under that country's laws. But the burden is on you to prove the property status! I'm attaching a detailed explanation with my Form 3520 showing why only half the amount is subject to reporting. The agent said this approach is acceptable as long as I document everything thoroughly.

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Small but important detail: make sure you know the CURRENT reporting threshold for Form 3520. It's adjusted for inflation every year. For 2024, gifts from foreign individuals need to be reported if they exceed $100,000 (aggregate annual amount). A friend of mine got a penalty for not filing because she was using outdated information about the threshold. Also, don't forget the deadline for Form 3520 is your regular tax filing deadline (including extensions).

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Isn't the deadline different for Form 3520-A though? I know that's for foreign trusts, but I get confused between all these similar forms.

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You're right to ask about that. Form 3520-A (Annual Information Return of Foreign Trust With a U.S. Owner) has a different deadline - it's due March 15 for calendar year trusts, while Form 3520 is due with your individual tax return. But in the original poster's case, we're talking about Form 3520 for reporting a foreign gift, not Form 3520-A which is for foreign trusts with US owners. So the deadline would be the same as their regular tax return filing date (April 15, or October 15 with an extension). Always good to be clear about which form we're discussing since they have similar numbers but different purposes and deadlines.

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Has anyone here actually been audited over Form 3520? I'm wondering how aggressive the IRS is about enforcing these foreign gift reporting requirements. My tax person made it sound like failing to file this form is basically guaranteed penalties.

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My cousin got hit with a $10,000 penalty for not filing a 3520 for a gift from his grandmother in Korea. He had no idea about the requirement and the IRS showed zero mercy even though it was an honest mistake. They're definitely enforcing this.

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