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International gift reporting question for Form 3520 - does community property affect foreign gift rules?

My dad is a US citizen but my mom isn't, and they live in a community property country (Spain). Mom doesn't file US taxes as a US person even though she could elect to. She wants to give me a substantial gift (around $75,000) from what's technically her account, but I'm confused about whether I need to file Form 3520 for this. Since they live in a community property country, technically half of everything she has is also my dad's money. So my question is: do I still have to report this as a foreign gift on Form 3520 because my mom is technically a foreign person? Or is it not reportable because the money could be considered as coming from my US citizen father due to community property laws? I don't want to mess up and get those huge penalties for not filing Form 3520 if required, but also don't want to file unnecessary paperwork. Has anyone dealt with this weird international gift/community property situation before?

The reporting requirements for Form 3520 are based on who is making the gift, regardless of community property laws. Since your mother is a non-US person, a gift from her over the reporting threshold (currently $100,000 from foreign individuals for 2025) would generally trigger the Form 3520 filing requirement. However, your situation has a twist because of the community property factor. The IRS generally respects community property laws, which means technically half of your mother's gift could be considered as coming from your US citizen father. That said, the safest approach would be to file Form 3520 for any portion clearly attributable to your non-US mother. In practice, this means you might need to report the portion of the gift considered to be from your mother (potentially half of the total amount under community property laws) if that amount exceeds the threshold.

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Thanks for the response! So if the total gift is $75,000, and half is technically from my dad ($37,500) and half from my mom ($37,500), would I still need to file Form 3520 since neither amount exceeds the $100,000 threshold?

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You're understanding correctly. If the total gift is $75,000, and under community property laws half ($37,500) is attributed to each parent, then neither portion would exceed the $100,000 reporting threshold for gifts from foreign individuals. In this case, you would not need to file Form 3520 based on the amount. However, I'd recommend documenting how the gift was structured and the basis for your decision not to file, just in case questions arise later. Also keep in mind that the rules can be complex, and if there's any doubt, consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international tax matters would be prudent.

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Just wanted to add something that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you understand the source of the funds your mom is gifting you. If the money came solely from her separate property (like an inheritance she received or assets she owned before marriage), it might be treated differently than community property despite being in a community property country. In my experience with Spanish community property laws specifically, there are exceptions to what's considered community property. If this money is definitely your mom's separate property under local law, you might still need to file Form 3520 regardless of your dad's US status.

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That's a really good point I hadn't considered. The money is actually from an inheritance my mom received from her parents last year. Does that change things even though they live in a community property country? Would the entire amount be considered a foreign gift in that case?

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Yes, that definitely changes things. Inheritances in Spain (and most community property jurisdictions) typically remain the separate property of the spouse who received them, not community property. Since this money came from your mom's inheritance and would be considered her separate property under Spanish law, the entire gift would likely be treated as coming from a foreign person. However, since you mentioned the gift is around $75,000, you're still under the $100,000 reporting threshold for gifts from foreign individuals for the 2025 tax year. So you likely wouldn't need to file Form 3520 based on the amount, even though the entire gift would be considered from your non-US mother.

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Has anyone actually gotten penalized for NOT filing a F3520 in similar circumstances? I'm in a similar situation and my tax guy says the penalty is like $10k minimum which seems insane for just missing a form when no actual tax is owed???

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Yes, the penalties are brutal. My cousin got hit with a $10,000 penalty for not filing F3520 for a gift from his grandmother in Portugal. He had no idea he needed to file it since no tax was due. He spent almost $5k in accountant and attorney fees fighting it and eventually got it reduced, but it was a nightmare. Don't risk it!

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