< Back to IRS

Kelsey Hawkins

Qualifying for real estate professional (REP) status - tax questions for rental property purchase

My wife has been working in the real estate field for a while now. This past year, she's hosted about three open houses and helped a pair of buyers close on their properties. We're planning to purchase a rental property before December and want to leverage accelerated bonus depreciation to reduce our tax liability. I've got a few questions I'm hoping someone can help with: 1. With her current real estate activities, does she qualify for REP (Real Estate Professional) status? I think she might, but I'd like to get confirmation. 2. Does the 750-hour requirement for REP status specifically apply to the new rental property we're purchasing? Can we count the hours she's already spending on her regular real estate activities toward this requirement? 3. If the 750-hour rule isn't tied to our specific property and we don't officially own a rental yet, can we still satisfy the 750-hour requirement if we purchase a property within the next couple of months? Thanks in advance for any insights!

The Real Estate Professional status has very specific requirements that are often misunderstood. Based on what you've shared, I'm concerned your wife may not qualify. To be considered a REP for tax purposes, your wife must: 1) Perform more than 750 hours of service during the tax year in real estate trades or businesses 2) More than half of all personal services she performs in trades/businesses must be in real estate activities 3) She must materially participate in each rental activity Hosting three open houses and helping two buyers probably doesn't come close to 750 hours. This is a substantial time commitment - roughly 15 hours per week all year. As for your other questions - the 750 hours applies to ALL real estate activities combined, not just for a specific property. However, to use losses from a rental against other income, you must materially participate in that specific rental property. Buying a property later this year won't retroactively allow you to count hours from earlier in the year for that specific property.

0 coins

Thanks for the detailed response. I should have been clearer - my wife is actually a licensed real estate agent working full-time in the field. The open houses and two buyers were just examples of her recent activities. She easily works 40+ hours weekly in real estate. Does this change your assessment? Also, regarding material participation in the rental, what exactly constitutes "material participation"? Would managing it ourselves (finding tenants, handling maintenance, etc.) qualify?

0 coins

That completely changes my assessment! If your wife is working full-time as a real estate agent (40+ hours weekly), she'll easily meet the 750-hour requirement and the "more than half of personal services" test. For material participation in your rental property, you need to meet one of seven tests. The most common ways to qualify include: working 500+ hours on the property in a year, doing substantially all the work related to the property, or working at least 100 hours and no one else works more than you. Managing tenants, handling repairs, and making decisions about the property all count. Keep detailed time logs for everything - contemporaneous records are much better than reconstructing hours later.

0 coins

I've been using taxr.ai for my real estate tax questions and it's been super helpful for situations like yours. I was confused about REP status last year too because my brother-in-law is a realtor and we own multiple properties. I uploaded my documents to https://taxr.ai and chatted with their tax AI about REP qualification. It explained that even though my brother-in-law met the 750+ hours in real estate trades, the grouping of properties for material participation was critical. The system highlighted that you need to make a formal election to group properties and showed me exactly where on the tax forms to do it. The analysis even pointed out depreciation strategies I hadn't considered that saved us about $8,000 in taxes. Might be worth checking out for your situation, especially with the bonus depreciation questions you have.

0 coins

Does this AI thing actually work with complicated tax scenarios? I've tried TurboTax and other software but they get confused with my rental properties. Can it handle the grouping election for multiple properties or do I still need a CPA?

0 coins

I'm wondering the same thing. Does it tell you how to create and maintain the required documentation for REP status? My accountant says the IRS is really strict about hourly logs and I'm terrible at keeping those records.

0 coins

It actually handles complex scenarios really well. For your question about property grouping elections, it walked me through Form 8582 and explained how to make the election statement to attach to my return. It even generated a sample statement I could modify. For documentation requirements, it provides templates for tracking hours that satisfy IRS requirements. It explained that contemporaneous logs are best (tracking as you go), but also showed acceptable ways to reconstruct time if you haven't been keeping perfect records. It recommends appointment calendars, mileage logs, phone records, and emails as supporting evidence to back up your hour claims.

0 coins

Just wanted to follow up about my experience with taxr.ai since I was skeptical but decided to try it. I'm really impressed! I uploaded my rental property docs and asked specifically about REP status qualification. The system analyzed my situation and pointed out I was making a critical mistake - I was counting hours my spouse spent managing properties but not documenting them properly, which wouldn't stand up in an audit. It suggested a documentation system that's actually pretty easy to maintain. What surprised me most was how it explained the material participation tests in plain English and showed me that I could qualify under Test 3 (I participate 100+ hours and no one else does more), even though I was fixated on the 500-hour test before. Saved me tons of documentation headaches and I feel way more confident about claiming REP status now.

0 coins

If you're planning to claim REP status, be prepared for potential IRS questioning. I've been trying to get answers from the IRS about a similar situation for WEEKS and it's impossible to reach anyone! After 15+ calls and hours on hold, I finally found https://claimyr.com which was a game-changer. They have a service where they wait on hold with the IRS for you, and when an agent is available, they call you to connect with the agent immediately. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c I got through to an IRS representative in a day instead of weeks of trying myself. The agent confirmed that for REP status, they look at EACH tax year independently, so even if you buy a property in December, you'd need to demonstrate that your wife met the 750-hour requirement for the ENTIRE year, not just since purchasing the property. The agent also emphasized that documenting hours is critical - they look for contemporaneous records during audits.

0 coins

How does this Claimyr thing actually work? Do they just sit on hold for you? Seems too good to be true when I've been trying to talk to someone at the IRS for ages about my REP status documentation.

0 coins

Sounds like a scam to me. The IRS is notoriously impossible to reach. I tried for 3 months last year with my REP audit issue. No way some service is getting through when millions of taxpayers can't.

0 coins

They literally have technology that waits on hold with the IRS for you. When an actual IRS agent picks up, you get a call connecting you directly to that agent. You don't have to sit there listening to the hold music for hours. The service works exactly as advertised. They use automated systems to stay on hold and have real people monitoring when agents answer. I was skeptical too until I tried it. Had been trying to reach the IRS for over two weeks with no luck, but with Claimyr I was talking to an agent the next day. The information I got about REP status documentation requirements was exactly what I needed to properly document my wife's hours.

0 coins

I take back what I said about Claimyr sounding like a scam. After fighting with the IRS hold system for weeks, I was desperate enough to try it. Got through to an agent in 2 days after waiting on my own for nearly a month. The IRS agent I spoke with actually cleared up my REP status confusion completely. They explained that material participation for each rental property is separate from the overall 750-hour requirement for REP status. I'd been doing my taxes wrong for 2 years! The agent also helped me understand how to properly document my hours if I get audited - apparently just saying "I worked X hours" isn't enough. I hate paying for something that should be free (talking to the IRS), but the hours of frustration it saved me was completely worth it. My tax anxiety is finally gone.

0 coins

Something people miss with REP status is that your wife must be a 5% owner in the real estate business for her agent hours to count. Is she an employee or independent contractor/broker? This can make a huge difference. Also, the 750 hours must be in "real property trades or businesses" which includes being an agent, but the real kicker is the material participation test for the specific rental property. The easiest test to meet is the 500-hour one, and I doubt you'll hit that in just a few months if you buy in the last quarter. Consider making a grouping election to treat all rental activities as a single activity. That way all your rental property hours can be combined to meet the material participation test.

0 coins

Wait, what? I've never heard about this 5% ownership requirement for real estate agents. My CPA never mentioned this and I've been claiming REP status for years. Can you explain more about this rule?

0 coins

The 5% ownership rule applies when counting hours toward the 750-hour requirement. If your wife is an agent working as an employee for a brokerage and doesn't own at least 5% of that brokerage, her hours working as an agent generally don't count toward the 750 hours needed for REP status. However, if she's an independent contractor (which most agents are), then she's essentially running her own business and the 5% rule doesn't apply in the same way. Most agents operate as independent contractors and can count their hours, but employees need the ownership stake. This is covered under Internal Revenue Code Section 469(c)(7)(D)(ii).

0 coins

I'm curious - has anyone successfully claimed bonus depreciation on a property purchased late in the tax year while qualifying for REP status? We bought our rental on Dec 18 last year and our accountant says we can't claim much since we only owned it for 2 weeks of the tax year.

0 coins

You can absolutely claim bonus depreciation for a property placed in service in December! The depreciation isn't prorated for bonus depreciation like regular depreciation would be. If you qualify for REP status and the property was placed in service (available for rent) before year-end, you can take the full bonus depreciation. We bought a property on December 22nd last year and were able to claim substantial bonus depreciation to offset our other income because my wife qualified as a REP. The key is making sure the property is "placed in service" before December 31st, which means it's ready and available for rent, not necessarily that you have tenants in place.

0 coins

For your specific situation, since your wife is a full-time licensed real estate agent working 40+ hours weekly, she should easily qualify for REP status. The key things to focus on now: 1) **Documentation is critical** - Start keeping detailed time logs immediately if you haven't already. Track every hour spent on real estate activities with dates, times, and descriptions. The IRS loves to audit REP claims and contemporaneous records are your best defense. 2) **Material participation for your rental** - Since you're buying late in the year, you'll need to be strategic about meeting the material participation tests for that specific property. The 100-hour test (where you work 100+ hours and more than anyone else) might be more realistic than trying to hit 500 hours in just a few months. 3) **Consider the grouping election** - If you plan to buy multiple rental properties in the future, making an election to group all rental activities as one can make material participation much easier to achieve across your portfolio. 4) **Bonus depreciation timing** - Good news here! As long as your property is "placed in service" before December 31st (ready and available for rent), you can claim the full bonus depreciation amount regardless of when in December you bought it. Make sure to work with a tax professional familiar with REP status - the rules are complex and the audit risk is higher than typical rental property claims.

0 coins

This is incredibly helpful, thank you! Just to make sure I understand correctly - when you mention "placed in service," does that mean we need to actually have the property ready for tenants by December 31st, or is it enough that we close on the purchase? We're looking at a property that might need some minor repairs before we can rent it out. If we close in November but don't finish the repairs until January, would that affect our ability to claim the full bonus depreciation for this tax year? Also, regarding the grouping election you mentioned - is this something we need to do on our tax return for this year, or can we make that election retroactively if we buy more properties in future years?

0 coins

IRS AI

Expert Assistant
Secure

Powered by Claimyr AI

T
I
+
20,087 users helped today