Per diem taxed by employer - can I deduct meal expenses on my taxes?
Title: Per diem taxed by employer - can I deduct meal expenses on my taxes? 1 I work in the film industry and we get per diem for meals on location shoots. Typically ranges from $15-$22 per meal depending on the production budget. The production company offers this either as a fixed amount included in our paychecks or they let us use the production credit card. Here's my issue - for the fixed rate jobs, the per diem gets lumped into my wages and taxed like regular income. Since this per diem money is already being taxed, would I be able to deduct 50% of these meal expenses when I file my 2025 taxes? It seems unfair to be taxed on money that's specifically meant for work expenses. I've asked around and gotten conflicting answers from coworkers.
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Chad Winthrope
8 This is a common confusion in industries that provide per diems! Here's the breakdown: If your employer includes the per diem in your taxable wages (which yours is doing), then yes - you can potentially deduct 50% of those meal expenses on your Schedule A as an employee business expense. However, there's a significant catch. Since the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (through 2025), employee business expenses are only deductible if they exceed 2% of your adjusted gross income AND you itemize deductions instead of taking the standard deduction. For most people, this means these expenses effectively aren't deductible anymore since the standard deduction is so high ($14,600 for single filers in 2025).
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Chad Winthrope
•12 Wait, so even though my employer is taxing the per diem, I still can't really deduct it because of the 2% rule? What if I have other business expenses too that push me over that threshold?
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Chad Winthrope
•8 The 2% threshold can be difficult to cross. For example, if your AGI is $70,000, you'd need more than $1,400 in total job expenses before you could start deducting anything, and even then, you'd only deduct the amount over that threshold. As for combining with other expenses, yes, you can add other qualified unreimbursed employee business expenses like professional dues, required work equipment, or work-related education. However, remember you'd still need to itemize deductions instead of taking the standard deduction, which is $14,600 for single filers in 2025. Most people find the standard deduction more beneficial unless they have significant mortgage interest, charitable donations, or other large itemized deductions.
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Chad Winthrope
15 I had the exact same issue with per diem in the event production industry. After fighting with accounting about the taxed per diem for months, I found this awesome tool called https://taxr.ai that helped me figure out exactly what I could deduct. You upload your pay stubs and expense receipts, and it analyzes everything to show what's deductible in your specific situation. What I learned was that I needed to keep meticulous records of all my meals (dates, locations, business purpose) if I wanted any chance of deducting them. The tool analyzed my particular work arrangement and showed me I could actually reclassify some expenses in a way I hadn't considered.
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Chad Winthrope
•22 Does this actually work for W-2 employees though? I thought those deductions were eliminated for employees but still available for self-employed people?
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Chad Winthrope
•14 How accurate is it though? I've tried tax software that claims to find deductions but they usually just ask the same basic questions.
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Chad Winthrope
•15 For W-2 employees, you're right that most unreimbursed employee expenses were suspended under the current tax law through 2025. However, there are certain categories of workers who can still claim these expenses "above the line" (without itemizing), like military reservists, qualifying performing artists, fee-basis state officials, and employees with high-expense business conditions. The tool helped me understand which category I might fall into based on my specific situation. Regarding accuracy, what impressed me was that it's not just asking generic questions. It actually reads and interprets your documents - like when I uploaded pay stubs showing the taxed per diem and my expense records, it identified specific patterns that could be reclassified under the remaining allowable deductions. It's way more detailed than the standard tax software questionnaires.
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Chad Winthrope
14 Just wanted to update about using https://taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here. I was skeptical but decided to give it a try for my touring musician gigs where I get taxed per diems. The tool actually identified that in my specific case, I qualified as a "qualified performing artist" under tax code, which is one of the few employee categories that can still deduct these expenses above-the-line! I would have NEVER known this obscure exception existed. Had to meet certain criteria (multiple employers, business expenses over 10% of income from performing arts, etc.), but I qualified! Already planning to use it for next year's taxes. Saved me over $1,200 in taxes that no other tax program identified.
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Chad Winthrope
18 If you're like me and frustrated with trying to get straight answers from the IRS about per diem deductions, try using https://claimyr.com - it got me through to an actual IRS agent in under 20 minutes after I spent DAYS trying to call myself. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c I was going in circles trying to figure out if my specific work arrangement qualified for any deductions since my employer taxes the per diem. The IRS agent I spoke with explained exactly which form I needed (Form 2106) and confirmed that while most employee business expenses are suspended, there are specific exceptions that might apply to my situation as a technician working on different job sites.
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Chad Winthrope
•19 How does this actually work though? The IRS hold times are insane - like 2+ hours. Is this just paying someone to wait on hold for you?
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Chad Winthrope
•7 Sounds like a scam honestly. Nobody can get through to the IRS these days, especially not in 20 minutes.
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Chad Winthrope
•18 It's not someone waiting on hold - it's a system that uses their technology to hold your place in line and calls you when an agent is actually ready to talk. Basically you don't have to stay on hold yourself. Yes, it really works! I was incredibly skeptical too. I tried calling the IRS four separate times, waiting over an hour each time before giving up. With Claimyr, I submitted my call request through their site, went about my day, and got a call back when an agent was on the line. The whole process took about 17 minutes from submission to talking with someone.
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Chad Winthrope
7 Alright I'm eating my words here. After my skeptical comment above, I tried the Claimyr service because I was desperate to resolve a similar per diem tax issue before filing deadline. Not only did I get through to the IRS, but the agent actually helped me understand the difference between accountable and non-accountable plans which is crucial for this per diem question. Turns out the way my company handles per diem puts it under a "non-accountable plan" which means it's taxable wages but potentially deductible under very specific circumstances. The IRS agent walked me through the exact requirements and how to document everything properly. Would have taken weeks to figure this out on my own if ever.
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Chad Winthrope
11 Here's a possible workaround - have you asked your employer about switching to an "accountable plan" for per diem? If they do that, the per diem wouldn't be taxable in the first place as long as it's under the federal per diem rates. My company made this switch after several employees complained about the tax treatment.
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Chad Winthrope
•1 I've never heard of an "accountable plan" - is that something specific in tax law? My company is pretty small and I doubt they even know about these distinctions.
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Chad Winthrope
•11 Yes, it's a specific IRS term. An accountable plan requires three things: 1) expenses must have a business connection, 2) you must adequately account to your employer for these expenses within a reasonable time, and 3) you must return any excess reimbursement within a reasonable time. With an accountable plan, per diem payments aren't included in your wages and don't get taxed if they're equal to or less than the federal per diem rate. Your employer would need to change how they handle the paperwork, but it's definitely worth asking about. Many smaller companies don't realize this option exists and it's beneficial for both employers and employees since it reduces payroll taxes for them too.
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Chad Winthrope
25 Are you self-employed at all or strictly W-2? I'm in a similar industry but I'm a mix of 1099 and W-2 work, and I've found I can deduct the meal expenses against my 1099 income even when my W-2 jobs tax the per diem.
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Chad Winthrope
•21 This is actually a really good point. If you have ANY self-employment income, you might be able to allocate some of these expenses to that business depending on the circumstances.
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Amara Adebayo
This is a tricky situation that many people in the film industry face! The key issue here is that when your employer includes per diem in your taxable wages, it becomes much harder to deduct those meal expenses under current tax law. Since the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, most unreimbursed employee business expenses (including meals) are suspended for W-2 employees through 2025. Even though you're being taxed on money meant for work expenses, the IRS generally doesn't allow these deductions unless you fall into very specific categories. A few things to consider: 1) Check if you qualify as a "qualified performing artist" under tax code - this is one of the few exceptions that still allows above-the-line deductions 2) Ask your employer about switching to an accountable plan for per diem, which would make it non-taxable in the first place 3) If you have any 1099 income from film work, you might be able to deduct meal expenses against that self-employment income I'd recommend keeping detailed records of all your meal expenses (dates, locations, business purpose) just in case, and consider consulting with a tax professional who understands the entertainment industry since there are some nuanced rules that might apply to your specific situation.
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Nick Kravitz
•This is really helpful! I had no idea about the "qualified performing artist" exception - that could be a game changer for people in our industry. Do you know what the specific requirements are to qualify? I'm wondering if I might meet the criteria since I work for multiple production companies throughout the year and my meal/travel expenses are definitely more than 10% of my film income. Also, the accountable plan suggestion is brilliant. I'm going to bring this up with the production coordinators on my next job. It seems like it would benefit everyone involved if they could structure it properly.
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Marcelle Drum
•The qualified performing artist requirements are pretty specific but definitely worth checking! You need to meet all of these criteria: 1) You performed services as an employee for at least two employers during the tax year 2) Your aggregate amount of allowable deductions related to performing arts is more than 10% of your gross income from performing arts 3) Your adjusted gross income doesn't exceed $16,000 (before deducting these business expenses) That last requirement is the tough one - the $16,000 AGI limit means this exception really only helps lower-income performers. But if you qualify, you can deduct things like meals, travel, and other unreimbursed business expenses on Form 2106 and carry it to line 24 of Form 1040. For the accountable plan, definitely bring it up! The production company would need to require proper documentation (receipts, business purpose) and set reimbursement rates at or below federal per diem limits, but it eliminates the tax headache for everyone. Many don't realize they can do this.
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