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Brianna Schmidt

PayPal sending 1099-K for gambling payouts - do I owe taxes when I lost overall?

So last year I got bored and decided to try my luck with online blackjack. Over the course of 2024, I had winnings paid out through PayPal totaling around $62k, but they came in small chunks - $650 here, $275 there, you know how it goes. The problem is, I'm pretty sure I actually lost more money than I won if you look at the big picture. Probably put in close to $70k overall. Just got blindsided with a CP2000 notice in the mail claiming I owe $24k in taxes on these PayPal payments. They're treating the entire $62k as pure income! This makes no sense to me since I'm actually down money for the year. Do I really owe taxes on money I technically didn't make? The casino doesn't track my losses, just my withdrawals. Has anyone dealt with this before? I have my PayPal statements showing all the deposits I made too, but I'm not sure if that's enough to fight this. Kinda freaking out here...

Alexis Renard

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The IRS treats gambling winnings and losses differently. Your PayPal payouts are considered gambling winnings and are 100% taxable income. The casino reported these to the IRS on a 1099-K because they're required to report payments over a certain threshold. However, you can deduct your gambling losses as an itemized deduction on Schedule A, but only up to the amount of your winnings. This means if you won $62k but lost $70k, you can deduct $62k of those losses, effectively canceling out the taxable gambling income. But you need documentation of both wins AND losses. The burden of proof is on you to substantiate your losses. For online gambling, this would ideally include complete records of all sessions showing amounts wagered, dates, types of wagers, wins/losses, and the name of the gambling establishment. Bank statements showing deposits to the gambling site help, but they're not enough by themselves.

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Camila Jordan

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But how do you prove losses if the online casino doesn't provide that info? I had a similar situation last year and all I had were my bank statements showing deposits to the site.

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Alexis Renard

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You'll need to go beyond just bank statements. Request a complete play history from the online casino - most platforms store this data and can provide reports showing every bet placed. Take screenshots of your account history if available. Keep a detailed spreadsheet tracking each session with dates, amounts, and results. For your bank statements, match each deposit to the gambling site with subsequent gambling activity to show the money was actually used for gambling. This creates a paper trail connecting your deposits to actual gambling losses. If the casino doesn't provide detailed records, your documented regular deposits can still help make your case, especially if the total deposits exceed your withdrawals.

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Tyler Lefleur

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How does it work exactly? Like do I just upload my bank statements and PayPal history and it automatically sorts everything? My transactions are a mess with hundreds of small deposits and withdrawals.

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LordCommander

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Important thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you're going to deduct gambling losses, you MUST itemize deductions on Schedule A. If you take the standard deduction (which most people do), you won't be able to deduct your losses, but you'll still owe tax on all your winnings. It's totally unfair but that's how the tax code works. Also, if you do itemize, gambling losses go under "Other Itemized Deductions" and you need to write "Gambling Losses" next to them. And they're not subject to the 2% AGI floor like some other deductions.

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Lucy Lam

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Wait so if my standard deduction is higher than my itemized would be, I'm basically screwed? I have to pay taxes on phantom income? That's insane!

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LordCommander

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That's unfortunately correct. If your standard deduction ($13,850 for single filers in 2024) is higher than what your itemized deductions would be, you'd typically take the standard deduction for the higher tax benefit. But in this case, it means you can't deduct your gambling losses. This is why serious gamblers keep extremely detailed records and often have other deductions that push them over into itemizing territory. It's one of those tax code quirks that can really hurt casual gamblers who have large wins followed by large losses. Some people in your situation may find that mortgage interest, state taxes, and charitable contributions combined with gambling losses make itemizing the better choice.

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Aidan Hudson

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Just wondering, isn't this whole issue going to get worse with the new $600 PayPal reporting threshold? They used to only send 1099-Ks if you had over $20,000 AND 200+ transactions, but now it's just $600 total for the year.

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Zoe Wang

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Yes, the threshold changed recently which is causing all kinds of headaches. More casual gamblers are getting caught in this exact trap. Same for people selling personal items online or doing small side gigs. It's creating a paperwork nightmare for everyone.

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This is exactly why I keep detailed gambling logs even for casual play. I learned the hard way a few years ago when I got hit with a similar situation - had about $8k in reported winnings but was actually down for the year. The key thing that saved me was having contemporaneous records. I started keeping a simple spreadsheet tracking every session: date, site/casino, amount deposited, amount withdrawn, and net result. Takes maybe 30 seconds after each session but it's bulletproof documentation. For your situation, try to reconstruct as much as you can. Print out your complete PayPal transaction history and bank statements. Highlight every gambling-related deposit and withdrawal. Create a timeline showing the flow of money. Even if it's not perfect, showing a clear pattern of more money going out than coming in will help your case. Also consider getting a tax professional involved if the amount is significant. They know exactly how to present this documentation to the IRS in a way that's most likely to be accepted. The $24k they're claiming you owe is probably worth spending a few hundred on professional help.

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Abigail Patel

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This is really solid advice about keeping contemporaneous records. I wish I had known this before I started gambling online. One question though - when you say "bulletproof documentation," does the IRS actually prefer handwritten logs over digital records? I've been keeping everything in Excel but wondering if I should print it out or if there's a specific format they like to see. Also, totally agree about getting professional help for a $24k assessment. That's definitely worth paying a CPA or enrolled agent to handle properly rather than trying to figure it out yourself and potentially making mistakes that could cost you thousands.

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Sunny Wang

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One thing that might help strengthen your case is to request your complete account history directly from the online casino/gambling site. Most legitimate platforms are required to maintain detailed transaction records and can provide you with a comprehensive report showing every deposit, withdrawal, bet placed, and outcome. Contact their customer service and specifically ask for a "complete gaming history report" or "transaction summary" for 2024. This should include timestamps, bet amounts, game types, and results. Some sites can export this data in spreadsheet format which makes it easier to analyze. If they claim they don't have this data or won't provide it, get that refusal in writing. The IRS understands that some gambling operations don't maintain or share detailed records, so documented efforts to obtain records can actually help your case even if you're unsuccessful. Also, don't overlook credit card statements if you funded your gambling through cards. These create an additional paper trail showing money going to gambling sites that can corroborate your bank statement deposits. The more documentation you can piece together showing the full picture of money in vs money out, the stronger your position will be.

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