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Yara Haddad

Need help with UK self assessment payment on account - can I cancel?

I've got my second payment on account coming up in July 2022 for my UK self assessment tax return, but I'm pretty sure I won't need to pay it. My income for 2021-2022 ended up being way lower than expected and falls below all the tax thresholds. I'm wondering if there's a way to cancel this second payment since it seems unnecessary? I had to make the first payment because my previous year's income was higher, but this year has been really different financially. Do I just not pay it and wait for HMRC to sort it out, or is there a formal process to cancel the payment before the due date? I'd rather not have money sitting with HMRC that I could use for other things right now. Anyone dealt with this before?

Yes, you can definitely cancel your second payment on account if your income has dropped below the tax thresholds. You don't need to wait and pay money unnecessarily. The formal process is to complete form SA303 "Self Assessment - Claim to reduce payments on account" or you can do it online through your HMRC online account. Just log in, go to the self assessment section and look for the option to reduce your payments on account. You'll need to provide an estimate of your actual income/tax for the year to justify the reduction. Since you mentioned your income is below all thresholds, you can likely reduce the payment to zero. Just be careful to provide an accurate estimate - if you underestimate significantly, HMRC might charge interest on any underpayment.

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Thanks for the info! I wasn't aware of the SA303 form. Do you know if there's a deadline for submitting this form before the July payment date?

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You can actually submit the SA303 form anytime before you make the payment. There's no formal deadline for it, but obviously you'll want to do it before July when the payment would be due. I'd recommend doing it as soon as possible to make sure it's processed in time. If you're doing it online, the changes usually apply quite quickly to your account. If you're posting the paper form, allow at least 2-3 weeks for processing. Either way, you'll receive confirmation once it's been processed.

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How accurate is it for UK tax returns specifically? I've tried other tax tools that were mostly designed for US taxes and they were pretty useless for self assessment.

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Does it help with figuring out the actual amount you should reduce to? I'm always paranoid about HMRC coming after me if I get it wrong.

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How long did it take for them to get through? Last time I called HMRC I was on hold for over an hour before giving up.

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Well I'm eating my words about Claimyr! After posting my skeptical comment, I decided to try it anyway since I needed to sort out my payment on account situation urgently. It actually worked exactly as described. I submitted my request at around 9am, and about 25 minutes later got a call connecting me directly to an HMRC advisor - no hold music, no automated menus, just straight to a human! The advisor confirmed I could reduce my payment to zero and helped me understand exactly what to put on the form. Saved me hours of frustration and probably preserved my sanity. Worth every penny just for the stress reduction.

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Quick tip from someone who does this regularly - if your income is genuinely below all thresholds, you might not even need to file a self assessment next year. You can call HMRC and ask to be taken out of self assessment if you no longer meet the criteria. Common reasons people stay in self assessment unnecessarily: - They had a one-off income spike - They started self-employment but then stopped - They previously had multiple income sources but now just have PAYE Just something to consider if your situation has changed permanently.

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That's really helpful, thank you! My situation was exactly that - I had a side business that generated decent income in 2020-2021, but I closed it down last year. Would I just call HMRC after filing my 2021-2022 return to ask to be removed from self assessment?

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Yes, that's right! Complete your 2021-2022 return first (which will show your income is below thresholds), then call HMRC and explain that you've closed your business and no longer need to be in the self assessment system. They'll ask a few questions to confirm you don't meet any of the criteria, and if they agree, they'll remove you from the system. Make sure you keep the confirmation they send you about this. Most people find it's a huge relief not having to worry about the annual self assessment deadline anymore!

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Just to add to what others have said - be careful with the timing. If you reduce your payment on account and later your actual income turns out to be higher than you estimated, HMRC will charge interest on the underpayment. Not trying to scare you - if your income is genuinely below thresholds then you're fine! But I made a mistake once where I forgot about some dividend income that pushed me over the threshold, and ended up paying interest.

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Yeah this happened to me too. The interest rates aren't massive but it's still annoying. Better to be slightly conservative with your estimate if you're not 100% sure.

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