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Need help with Form 1041 Estate Fiscal Year Accounting for inherited investments

My father passed away in August 2022, and as the executor I'm electing to use August 2022 - July 31, 2023 as the fiscal year for the estate's Form 1041 filing. Among the estate assets is a brokerage account valued around $675k with various stocks, bonds and mutual funds. I've been receiving dividend income from these investments throughout the fiscal year. For 2022, I have the 1099-DIV that breaks down all the dividend income appropriately. The supplemental information attached to the 1099 provides an even more detailed security-by-security breakdown showing which portions of dividends were qualified, which bond distributions were tax-exempt, etc. My problem is for May, June, and July 2023, I don't have a 1099 giving me that level of detail. The monthly brokerage statements only show total distributions for each security, labeled simply as "dividends" or "interest" without specifying whether they're qualified dividends, tax-exempt interest, or other types of distributions that would affect how they're reported on Form 1041. How am I supposed to properly categorize these distributions for the estate's fiscal year Form 1041 without the detailed breakdown a 1099 would provide? Do I need to contact the brokerage for this information or is there another approach I should take?

You're in a common situation for estate filings that use a fiscal year. For the dividends received in 2023 (May-July), you have a few options: The cleanest approach is to contact your brokerage firm and request an interim breakdown of dividend classifications. Most major brokerages can provide this information upon request, though it might not be in the same format as a formal 1099-DIV. Ask specifically for a breakdown showing qualified vs. non-qualified dividends and tax-exempt interest portions. If the brokerage can't provide this, you can make a reasonable estimate based on the 2022 1099-DIV percentages. For example, if a particular security paid 80% qualified dividends in 2022, it's reasonable to apply that same percentage to the 2023 distributions from that security. Keep detailed documentation of your methodology in case of questions during an audit. The key with Form 1041 estate filings is consistency and documentation of your approach.

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Emma Wilson

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Thanks for the info. I'm in a similar situation with my mom's estate. Have you ever tried calling the brokerage for the interim breakdown? I'm worried they'll just tell me to wait for the 1099 next year, but that doesn't help with the fiscal year filing needs.

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I've handled this situation several times, and most major brokerages are familiar with this request for estate accounts. When you call, specifically mention it's for an estate with a fiscal year filing requirement for Form 1041. Ask to speak with their estate services department if available, as they'll be more familiar with these requests than general customer service. They won't provide an official 1099, but they can usually generate a report showing the classification of distributions (qualified dividends, non-qualified, tax-exempt interest, etc.) for any date range you specify. Some brokerages even have this information available in their online portals under tax documents or transaction history.

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Malik Davis

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Does it work for more complex estates too? I'm dealing with one that has K-1 income, rental properties, AND investment accounts. I'm dreading trying to figure out the fiscal year accounting across all these income sources.

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Ravi Gupta

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I'm skeptical about these kinds of services. How can they possibly know which dividends qualify without the official 1099 classification? Seems like they'd just be guessing, which could get you in trouble with the IRS.

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Malik Davis

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GalacticGuru

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If you're having trouble getting dividend classification information from your brokerage, I'd recommend trying to get someone at the IRS on the phone. They can sometimes provide guidance for these estate fiscal year situations. But honestly, calling the IRS has been nearly impossible lately. I spent 3+ hours on hold multiple times trying to get help with my brother's estate Form 1041 issues. Eventually I found https://claimyr.com which got me connected to an actual IRS agent in about 20 minutes. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c - it basically holds your place in line and calls you when an agent is available. The IRS agent I spoke with explained exactly how to handle partial year dividend classification for estate fiscal year filings.

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How does this actually work? I've been on hold with the IRS for literally hours trying to get answers about a 1041 filing. Does this service somehow jump the queue or something?

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Omar Fawaz

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GalacticGuru

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Omar Fawaz

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Another option to consider for your Form 1041 estate accounting issue: I've found that most brokerages maintain underlying classification data for dividends throughout the year, even before they generate the official 1099-DIV. If you log into your online brokerage account, look for a section called "Tax Center" or "Tax Information." Many platforms allow you to generate customized tax reports for date ranges that don't align with calendar years. I was able to get this for my father's estate with Fidelity, and I believe Schwab and Vanguard offer similar functionality. The key is that you need the classification between qualified dividends (which get preferential tax rates) and non-qualified dividends for accurate Form 1041 reporting.

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Diego Vargas

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Does this work for accounts that hold REITs? Those distributions are especially complicated with return of capital, etc. I'm struggling with exactly this issue right now for an estate I'm administering.

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Yes, it actually works quite well for REITs, which are one of the most complicated assets for estate fiscal year accounting. The brokerage's tax center will typically show the breakdown of REIT distributions into ordinary income, qualified dividends, capital gain distributions, and return of capital. For the fiscal portion where you don't yet have the official breakdown, many brokerages will let you see the preliminary classification based on what the REIT has announced. REITs are required to announce their dividend tax classifications, even though the official 1099 comes later. If you can't find this in your brokerage's system, you can often go directly to the investor relations section of the REIT's website and find their dividend tax classification announcements.

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An important thing to note with Form 1041 estate filings using a fiscal year: you need to make sure you're using the correct tax rates and forms. For a fiscal year that includes parts of 2022 and 2023, you would use the 2022 Form 1041 (not the 2023 version) since the fiscal year began in 2022. But you'll compute the tax using a blended rate based on the portion of income that falls in each calendar year.

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StarStrider

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Is that really true? I thought you always use the form for the year in which the fiscal year ends. So for a Aug 2022-July 2023 fiscal year, wouldn't you use the 2023 forms since that's when the fiscal year ends?

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