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Zoe Wang

Need advice for handling large IRS tax debt - overwhelmed and need guidance

This is really embarrassing to admit, but I'm desperate for help. I've been self-employed since finishing my degree about 5 years ago and have consistently filed my taxes each year. The problem is I've gotten myself into a massive hole with the IRS. When I started my freelance career, someone told me I needed to make quarterly estimated tax payments, but honestly, I was 23 and struggling to make rent. I thought those quarterly payments were optional suggestions, not requirements. So I skipped them completely. When tax time rolled around, I was shocked by how much I owed, so I set up a payment plan. I didn't understand that skipping quarterly payments meant penalties and interest. The next year, my car needed major repairs and other expenses came up, so I continued to skip the quarterly payments, thinking "I'm already making monthly payments on last year's taxes, so I'm good." This pattern just kept repeating year after year. Then I got married, and my wife lost multiple jobs back-to-back during the pandemic. My income was keeping us afloat, and we needed every penny, so I kept neglecting those quarterly payments while just maintaining the monthly payment plans for previous years. Fast forward to now - I owe around $48,000 to the IRS from 2020 forward. I finally understand I absolutely need to make those quarterly payments, and my wife has stable employment now. We're trying to get it together, but we have a 3-year-old son and our expenses (rent, cars, childcare) are through the roof. My monthly payment plan is now $625, and I can barely cover that plus current quarterly payments. I know I need to pay way more than this to ever get out from under this debt, but I'm drowning and don't know what to do. I'm terrified this will just keep getting worse. Sorry for the long post. It took everything in me to admit this publicly. I feel physically sick typing this out, but I know I need help before this spirals even further.

Don't beat yourself up too much - you're far from the only person who's been in this situation. The self-employment tax system isn't intuitive for most people starting out. First, you need to know the IRS has more flexible options than most people realize. Since you're already on a payment plan, you might qualify for an "Offer in Compromise" which lets you settle for less than you owe, or at minimum, a recalculated payment plan based on your current financial situation. The key is to gather all your documentation showing your current income, expenses, assets, and liabilities. You'll need to demonstrate your actual ability to pay. With a young child and proof of your necessary living expenses, you may qualify for a significantly reduced monthly payment. If your situation is truly dire, you might even qualify for "Currently Not Collectible" status, which temporarily pauses collections while maintaining your filing compliance. Whatever you do, keep filing your returns on time even if you can't pay in full, and try to make your quarterly estimated payments going forward to avoid digging a deeper hole.

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Grace Durand

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This is really helpful. How exactly do you apply for an Offer in Compromise? Is that something you can do yourself or do you need a tax professional? And if they reject your offer, does that mess up your existing payment plan?

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You can apply for an Offer in Compromise yourself using Form 656, but I strongly recommend at least consulting with a tax professional first. The acceptance rate isn't super high, and you need to carefully document your financial situation. The application fee is $205, though you might qualify for a waiver if your income is below certain thresholds. If your offer gets rejected, your existing payment plan typically remains in place, so you're not worse off for trying. However, the more practical first step might be requesting a payment plan recalculation based on your current financial situation using Form 433-F. This is much simpler and could immediately reduce your monthly payment amount.

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Steven Adams

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After reading your post, I wanted to share something that helped me with a similar situation. I was drowning in about $30k of tax debt a couple years ago and feeling completely helpless. I tried calling the IRS multiple times but kept getting stuck in the automated system or disconnected. I discovered this service called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that analyzed my tax situation and helped me understand my options. You upload your tax documents and they use AI to find the best approach for your specific situation. In my case, they showed me I qualified for an Installment Agreement with a much lower monthly payment based on my financial hardship. What was really helpful was they explained exactly which forms I needed and even highlighted specific sections where I could demonstrate financial hardship. They found deductions I'd missed in previous years too, which reduced my overall tax burden.

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Alice Fleming

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Did you need to provide them with all your personal information? I'm always nervous about sharing tax documents with a third party. How did they actually help with the IRS?

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Hassan Khoury

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What happens if the AI gives bad advice? The IRS doesn't care if some app told you to do something wrong. Did you have an actual tax professional review anything before submitting to the IRS?

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Steven Adams

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They have really strong security and encryption for all documents. I was nervous too, but they explain that they use the same level of security as banks. They don't submit anything to the IRS for you - they just give you the analysis and recommendations, then you handle the actual submission yourself. They're not just an AI tool without oversight. They have tax professionals who review the AI recommendations before they're sent to you. It's more like the AI does the initial analysis and then a human expert confirms everything. This way you get the accuracy of professional review but at a much lower cost than hiring a CPA directly.

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Alice Fleming

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I was skeptical about trying taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here, but I was in a similar situation with about $25k in back taxes. What convinced me was they had a satisfaction guarantee, so I figured I had nothing to lose. The analysis they provided was incredibly detailed - they found that I actually qualified for penalty abatement for my first year of non-payment due to "first-time penalty abatement" which I had no idea existed. They also showed me exactly how to document my financial hardship to get my monthly payment reduced from $550 to $175. What really impressed me was they identified several business expenses from previous years that my original tax preparer had missed. I was able to file amended returns for those years which reduced my overall tax bill by almost $4,000. The whole process took about 2 weeks, and now I finally feel like I can see light at the end of the tunnel instead of just drowning in tax debt.

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If you need to actually speak with someone at the IRS about your situation (which I highly recommend), good luck getting through their phone system. I spent literally days trying to reach a human at the IRS about my payment plan issues last year. After hours on hold multiple times, I'd either get disconnected or told to call back another day. I finally used this service called Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) that actually holds your place in the IRS phone queue and calls you when an agent is about to pick up. Saved me hours of waiting on hold. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c Once I actually got through to a real person at the IRS, they were surprisingly helpful. I was able to get my payment plan recalculated based on my current financial situation and reduced my monthly payment by almost half. But I never would have gotten through without that service.

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Benjamin Kim

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How does that even work? The IRS phone system is a nightmare but how can a service hold your place in line? Seems suspicious to me.

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I've tried everything to get through to the IRS about my payment plan. Their online tools are useless for my situation and the local office requires appointments weeks out. This sounds too good to be true. Did you really get your payment reduced that much just from one phone call?

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It works by using their system to stay connected to the IRS hold queue. When a representative is about to pick up, they call your number and connect you directly. It's basically the same as if you stayed on hold yourself, but you don't have to listen to the hold music for hours. I was also able to get my payment reduced substantially in one call. I had to provide details about my current income and expenses over the phone, but the agent walked me through what qualified as necessary expenses. They determined my "reasonable collection potential" was much lower than my current payment amount. The change was immediate - my next automatic withdrawal was the new lower amount.

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I need to follow up on my skeptical comment above about Claimyr. After waiting on hold with the IRS for 3+ hours and getting disconnected TWICE last week, I decided to try Claimyr in desperation. It actually worked exactly as described. I entered my phone number, they called the IRS, and about 45 minutes later I got a call saying they had an IRS agent on the line. I was connected immediately to a real person who helped me with my payment plan. The agent reviewed my financial situation and agreed my current payment of $600/month was too high based on my income and expenses. They reduced it to $275/month on the spot. They also explained I might qualify for an Offer in Compromise and sent me the forms to apply. I've been stressing about this tax debt for years, feeling like I'd never get ahead. Now I actually have a manageable plan. Wish I'd known about this service years ago instead of avoiding dealing with the problem.

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One option nobody has mentioned yet is bankruptcy. If some of your tax debt is more than 3 years old, you might be able to discharge it in bankruptcy. There are specific rules about which tax debts qualify, but it could potentially wipe out a big chunk of what you owe. I went through chapter 7 bankruptcy last year and was able to discharge about $20,000 in tax debt from 4+ years ago. You still have to meet certain criteria - the returns need to have been filed at least 2 years before bankruptcy, the assessment needs to be at least 240 days old, and you can't have committed fraud. Bankruptcy has other consequences obviously, but if you're truly drowning in debt, it might be worth talking to a bankruptcy attorney who specializes in tax issues.

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Zoe Wang

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Thank you for mentioning this option. I had no idea tax debt could be discharged through bankruptcy. Is that something that applies to all types of tax debt or just income tax? And did it affect your credit score as badly as people say?

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Bankruptcy can only discharge income tax debt, not payroll taxes, fraud penalties, or certain other types. The debt needs to be from a return that was due at least 3 years ago, filed at least 2 years ago, and assessed by the IRS at least 240 days ago. Yes, bankruptcy did impact my credit score - it dropped about 150 points initially. However, it's already started recovering, and the relief of not having that massive tax debt hanging over me was worth it. I've been able to start rebuilding my credit, and some lenders actually see me as a better risk now because my debt-to-income ratio is so much better without the tax debt. I recommend at least having a consultation with a bankruptcy attorney who specializes in tax issues. Many offer free initial consultations, and they can tell you exactly which portions of your tax debt might be dischargeable.

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Sarah Ali

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If you're dealing with IRS debt, consider contacting the Taxpayer Advocate Service. They're an independent organization within the IRS that helps taxpayers resolve problems. Their services are free and they can help negotiate with the IRS on your behalf, especially in cases of financial hardship. I was in a similar situation with about $42k in tax debt and couldn't afford the payments they wanted. The Taxpayer Advocate helped me get into Currently Not Collectible status when I was at my financial lowest, which paused all collections. Later, they helped me set up a reasonable payment plan based on what I could actually afford. Their website is https://www.taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/ and you can find your local office there. It might take some persistence to reach them, but they can be incredibly helpful when you're overwhelmed.

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Ryan Vasquez

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Were you able to get your penalties reduced too? I've heard the IRS sometimes gives "first time abatement" but wasn't sure if that applies when you've already been on payment plans.

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