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Angelina Farar

My CPA and 401k administrator giving completely opposite advice on MBDR strategy

I'm at my wit's end with conflicting professional advice. I run a one-person S-corporation with a digital marketing business. Been using the same CPA since I started when I was making like $40k yearly. My company has grown a ton the last few years, and now my tax situation is way more complicated. I recently started looking into better tax strategies and discovered the Mega Backdoor Roth (MBDR). I paid a self-directed IRA company to set up a solo 401k that includes the MBDR option in the plan documents. So this month, I told my CPA I wanted to deposit $69k into my voluntary after-tax pension trust account and then immediately convert it to my Roth account. For context, I took $86k as W2 income and about $93k in distributions this year. My CPA is INSISTING I can't contribute the full $69k limit because my income isn't over $230,000. I've sent him all the documentation from my 401k provider explaining how it works, but he barely glanced at it. He just keeps referring to the IRS website and won't budge. Meanwhile, my 401k administrator says I'm totally eligible. Who do I believe? My tax year is closing soon and I need to figure this out!

Your CPA seems to be confusing a few different retirement contribution limits here. For the Mega Backdoor Roth strategy in a solo 401(k), the total contribution limit for 2025 is $69,000, but that's broken down into different buckets. The employee deferral limit is $23,000 (plus $7,500 catch-up if you're over 50). Then as the employer, you can make a profit-sharing contribution of up to 25% of your W-2 compensation. Finally, after-tax contributions can fill the gap between these amounts and the $69,000 limit. Your W-2 income of $86k is absolutely sufficient to max out your contributions. The $230,000 figure your CPA mentioned might be referring to the compensation limit for calculating the employer contribution portion, but that doesn't mean you need to earn that much to max out the plan. I'd recommend showing your CPA IRS Publication 560 which outlines these limits clearly. If they still won't budge, it might be time to find a CPA who specializes in retirement strategies for small business owners.

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Thanks for this breakdown! I'm in a similar situation and confused about whether my S-corp income is enough. Quick question - does the W2 salary HAVE to be a certain percentage of overall business income for this to work? And what happens if the CPA files incorrectly and the IRS audits?

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For S-corps, you need to pay yourself a "reasonable salary" as W-2 income, which is typically based on what someone in your position would earn in your industry and location. There's no fixed percentage requirement, but the IRS does scrutinize unreasonably low salaries used to avoid payroll taxes. If your CPA files incorrectly and you're audited, you could face penalties and interest on any unpaid taxes. In this specific case regarding retirement contributions, excessive contributions beyond legal limits would need to be withdrawn, and you might face a 6% excise tax on the excess amount for each year it remains in the account. That's why getting this right the first time is so important.

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It sounds like your CPA isn't familiar with solo 401k plans and the MBDR strategy. The $230,000 figure he's referencing is likely the compensation limit for 2025 (actually $235,000), but that's just the maximum compensation that can be considered when calculating contribution limits. For solo 401ks, you can make: 1) Employee contribution: up to $23,000 2) Employer contribution: up to 25% of your W-2 compensation 3) After-tax contributions: up to the difference between the above and $69,000 With $86k W-2 compensation, you can definitely do the full $69k. I'd recommend finding a CPA who specializes in retirement strategies for business owners. The one you have clearly doesn't understand the rules.

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Thanks for breaking it down! So if I understand correctly, my $86k W2 would allow for: $23k employee contribution, then 25% of $86k = $21.5k employer contribution, which leaves $24.5k that I could contribute as after-tax dollars for immediate Roth conversion. So I could do the full MBDR, just not the full $69k as after-tax contributions. Is that right?

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You've got it exactly right. With your $86k W2 salary, you can make the $23k employee deferral and about $21.5k as the employer contribution. That leaves approximately $24.5k that you can contribute as after-tax dollars for the Mega Backdoor Roth conversion. So while you can reach the full $69k overall limit, only a portion of that would be after-tax contributions eligible for the Roth conversion. This is still a fantastic strategy for building tax-free growth in your retirement savings, and your income level is absolutely sufficient to take advantage of it.

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As someone who had to fire their CPA over this exact issue, here's what I learned: Many CPAs are great at general tax preparation but completely lost when it comes to advanced retirement strategies. The problem is that solo 401k plans are highly customizable. Some plan documents allow for after-tax contributions and in-plan Roth conversions (needed for MBDR), while others don't. If your plan specifically allows for these features, then your plan administrator is correct. I ended up hiring a retirement-focused financial advisor who worked alongside a specialized CPA. Cost me more, but they immediately understood the strategy and implemented it correctly.

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Did you have any issues with timing? I'm worried about setting up the solo 401k, making contributions, AND doing the Roth conversion all before the tax year ends. How tight is that timeline?

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