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Missing Form 941 filings since Q2 2021 but paid taxes via QuickBooks and filed W-2s - What to do about IRS notice?

I just received a concerning IRS notice for our small business that we've been winding down (officially stopped operations in 2023 though we haven't been active since late 2022). The notice states that our 2021 Form 941 wage totals don't match our W-2 wage totals. Weirdly, the IRS shows our W-2 wages as $0, which is definitely incorrect. Looking into our records, it seems we **paid** all the required 941 employment taxes through QuickBooks, but we apparently only **filed** the actual Form 941 for the first two quarters of 2021 and nothing after that. The IRS wants us to send our W-2s and W-3, but those obviously won't match the 941s since we're missing filings for half the year. We're trying to wrap everything up with this business and move on, but now we're caught in this tax mess. Our previous accountant assured us in 2023 that everything was properly handled, so this is a shock. We're digging through our QuickBooks data to figure this out, but some information seems inaccessible (probably because it's more than 2 years old now). Has anyone dealt with a similar situation? I'm planning to call both the IRS and QuickBooks, but would appreciate any insights on what might have happened and how to resolve this properly.

This is unfortunately a common issue with businesses winding down. Payments don't replace the need for filing the actual forms. When you pay through QuickBooks, you're handling the tax deposits, but you still need to submit the 941 forms quarterly to report those payments. The IRS showing $0 for W-2 wages likely means they didn't process your W-2/W-3 forms correctly or they weren't received. The 941 forms and W-2/W-3 forms go through different processing systems at the IRS, and they later cross-reference them. Here's what you should do: First, gather all your quarterly payroll reports from QuickBooks for 2021. Then prepare and file the missing 941 forms for Q3 and Q4 2021 (and any quarters after that if missing). You'll need to mail these with a brief explanation letter. Also, send copies of all your 2021 W-2s and the W-3 summary form as requested. Be prepared for some late filing penalties, though you might be able to request an abatement since you did pay the taxes on time. The IRS has reasonable cause provisions that might help in your situation.

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Thanks for the clear explanation. We're definitely going to follow your advice. Quick question though - will we need to file those missing 941s for 2022 as well even though we paid the taxes? And is there a specific form for requesting penalty abatement?

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Yes, you should file the missing 941s for all quarters you had payroll activity, even in 2022. The IRS requires these forms regardless of whether you paid the taxes. They need the forms to reconcile what was paid with what was reported. For penalty abatement, you can include a letter citing "reasonable cause" with your late filings. There's also Form 843 "Claim for Refund and Request for Abatement" that you can file after receiving any penalty notices. Focus on explaining that you relied on professional advice from your accountant who assured you everything was filed correctly, and that you made all tax payments on time through QuickBooks.

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Former payroll specialist here. One thing to watch out for - if you filed your W-2s through QuickBooks, make sure you check if they were actually transmitted to the SSA. Many small businesses think QuickBooks automatically files these forms, but sometimes you need to take an additional step to submit them. If QuickBooks did transmit them, you should have received a confirmation. The SSA then sends that W-2 data to the IRS, which is why they're saying they don't match your 941s. If you can't find a confirmation that your W-2s were submitted, you might need to resubmit those as well. Also, the IRS will likely charge you "failure to file" penalties for the missing 941s, even if you paid the taxes. These can be substantial - 5% of the unpaid tax for each month the return is late, up to 25%.

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Thanks for this insight. I just checked and we do have confirmation that the W-2s were transmitted for 2021. So I think the issue is definitely with the missing 941 forms not matching what the W-2s show. Do you know if there's a specific form or process for filing these old 941s now, or do we just use the regular forms?

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You'll use the regular Form 941 for each missing quarter. Just make sure you're using the correct form for each specific quarter (the forms change slightly year to year). Write "LATE FILED RETURN" at the top of each form so they're processed correctly. I'd recommend attaching a brief explanation letter with each return explaining that the taxes were paid through QuickBooks but the forms weren't filed. Include copies of your payment confirmations if you have them. This won't eliminate penalties but shows good faith and might help reduce them.

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Has anyone successfully gotten the IRS to waive penalties for late 941 filings? I'm in a similar position but afraid of getting hit with thousands in penalties even though we paid everything on time.

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Yes! I just went through this last month. Request first-time penalty abatement if you've had a clean record for the past 3 years. I called the IRS (after waiting 2 hours) and specifically asked for this, and they waived about $3,400 in penalties. You need to be persistent tho and specifically mention "first time penalty abatement" or "reasonable cause abatement.

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Thanks so much for this info! That gives me some hope. I've never had any issues with filing before, so hopefully they'll consider the first-time abatement. $3,400 in savings is huge for a small business like mine.

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now! My small business also used QuickBooks for payroll and tax payments, but somehow we missed filing several 941 forms in 2022. I just got an IRS notice last week showing discrepancies between our W-2s and what they have on file for quarterly returns. One thing I learned from calling the IRS Business Tax Line is that they have a specific department for employment tax issues (different from individual tax problems). The representative told me that as long as you can show you made the payments on time through EFTPS or QuickBooks, they're usually willing to work with you on penalty abatement. She also mentioned that many small businesses run into this exact issue when winding down operations - the focus shifts to closing everything up and sometimes the quarterly filings get overlooked even though the payments continue automatically. I'm planning to gather all my QuickBooks payment confirmations and file the missing quarters this week. The IRS gave me 30 days to respond to their notice, but they said filing sooner rather than later shows good faith compliance.

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