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Maximize Tax Deferrals as S-Corp Owner: 401K, Traditional IRA, HSA & Beyond

My business has been thriving these past few years despite all the economic ups and downs. Problem is, I got a really late start saving for retirement and now I'm scrambling to aggressively save for when I can't work anymore, or hopefully hit FIRE (Financial Independence Retire Early). Currently, I'm maxing out my Safe Harbor 401K with $22.5K in elective contributions plus about $38K expected profit share for 2025 = roughly $60.5K total going into the 401K this year. I'm also putting $7K into a ROTH IRA for 2025 since my W2 wages are under $153K. Health-wise, I've got a HDHP and I'm paying all medical expenses out of pocket, planning to reimburse myself through my HSA in about 15 years. Contributing the max to HSA ($4,150 for 2025). As an S-corp owner, what else could I be doing to stash more money away for retirement? I still have about $13K left on my Section 415 limit ($73K for 2025) - is there another tax advantaged account I can use to max out that remaining $13K? Or do I just need to increase my W2 wages to around $192K so my profit share hits $48K? (Based on $192K x 25% profit share = $48K) Paying myself that much would push me out of ROTH IRA eligibility though. But maybe the tax savings from the additional pre-tax profit share money going into the 401K makes it worth it? Anyone have experience with this?

The good news is you're already doing most of the big moves! For S-Corp owners looking to max out tax deferrals, you're covering the main bases with your 401k, Roth IRA, and HSA strategy. For your remaining Section 415 limit space, you have two primary options: First, you could implement a Cash Balance Plan alongside your 401k. This is essentially a defined benefit plan that allows for additional tax-deferred contributions above your 401k limits. These can potentially allow for much larger contributions depending on your age and income level. Second, yes, you could increase your W2 wages to maximize your profit share contribution, but consider the Roth IRA backdoor option if this pushes you beyond the income limits. You'd contribute to a traditional IRA (without taking the deduction) and then convert to Roth. Don't forget about mega backdoor Roth conversions if your 401k plan allows for after-tax contributions and in-plan conversions.

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Zainab Yusuf

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How complicated is it to set up a Cash Balance Plan? Would I need to offer it to my employees too or can I just have it for myself? Also, what kind of admin costs are we talking about here compared to a standard 401k?

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Setting up a Cash Balance Plan does require some specialized administration. Yes, you would typically need to include eligible employees, though plans can be designed to somewhat favor older, higher-compensated employees (like the owner). This is completely legal when done correctly. The administrative costs are definitely higher than a standard 401k. You'll need annual actuarial certifications, more complex administration, and typically pay between $2,000-$5,000 annually depending on your provider and the number of participants. Some providers charge setup fees of $5,000+ as well. However, the tax savings can easily outweigh these costs if you're contributing significant amounts.

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Yara Khoury

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Did taxr.ai help with the actual setup of these plans or just the strategy? I've been thinking about a Cash Balance Plan but I'm worried about the complexity and getting it wrong with the IRS.

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How much does their service cost? Seems suspicious that you're just randomly promoting a website...

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They provided the strategy and documentation needed, plus connected me with qualified third-party administrators who handled the actual setup. The documentation was crucial because it showed exactly how everything works within IRS guidelines specific to my S-corp structure. Having that roadmap made the implementation much less intimidating. Their analysis covers both the tax impact and retirement projections so you can see exactly what each option means for your future. What impressed me was how they identified opportunities specific to my business structure that generic financial advisors missed completely.

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One issue I ran into when trying to contact a tax professional about similar S-corp retirement planning was that I literally couldn't get anyone to call me back for weeks. Finally used Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) to get through to an IRS specialist about Section 415 limits for S-corps. They have this system that basically gets you to the front of the IRS phone queue (you can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c). I was able to get a definitive answer about how to calculate my specific Section 415 limits with my unique compensation structure, which gave me confidence to move forward with my retirement planning. Turns out I was calculating my available space incorrectly and leaving money on the table.

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Paolo Marino

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Wait, how does this actually work? The IRS phone system is a nightmare but I'm skeptical anything can actually get through it. Do they just keep calling for you or something?

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Amina Bah

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Yeah right. Nothing gets through to the IRS. I've tried calling them 25+ times over 3 months for an S-corp question and never got through. No way this actually works.

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They use a system that continuously monitors the IRS phone lines and connects you when there's an opening. It's not magic - they're basically automating the redial process but with sophisticated timing algorithms. I was connected within about 27 minutes, which was shocking after trying for weeks on my own. They don't just "keep calling" - their system actually monitors call patterns and optimal connection times for different IRS departments. For my S-corp question, they routed me to the business tax specialist line which I didn't even know existed.

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Amina Bah

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Oliver Becker

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Have you considered a Defined Benefit plan instead of just increasing your W2? I'm also an S-corp owner and was able to contribute an additional $87K annually above my 401K limit. It's especially powerful if you're older (40+) and trying to catch up on retirement savings. The downside is you need to maintain contributions for several years and there are higher admin fees compared to a 401K, but the tax savings more than make up for it. Worth talking to a TPA (Third Party Administrator) who specializes in these plans for S-corps specifically.

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CyberSiren

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I hadn't thought about a Defined Benefit plan! Is that different from the Cash Balance Plan mentioned above? How much does it typically cost to administer annually?

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Oliver Becker

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A Cash Balance Plan is actually a type of Defined Benefit plan, just with some modern features that make it more flexible. Traditional DB plans promise a specific monthly benefit at retirement based on a formula, while Cash Balance plans maintain an individual account balance for each participant that grows annually. For administration costs, I pay about $3,600 annually for my plan with 2 participants. Initial setup was around $4,200. These costs are higher than a 401k, but the tax savings are substantial. For example, my additional $87K contribution saves me about $30K in taxes annually, so the admin fees are relatively minor in comparison.

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Don't overlook the potential of utilizing a Backdoor Roth if increasing your W2 wages pushes you beyond the Roth IRA income limits. Anyone can contribute to a Traditional IRA regardless of income, and then convert it to a Roth IRA.

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But if you already have traditional IRA money, doesn't that create pro-rata rule issues with the backdoor? I thought the conversion gets taxed proportionally?

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You're absolutely right about the pro-rata rule! If you have any existing traditional IRA balances (including rollover IRAs from old 401ks), the backdoor Roth conversion gets more complicated. The IRS treats all your traditional IRAs as one big pot, so you can't just convert the non-deductible contribution - you have to convert proportionally from all accounts. One workaround for S-corp owners is to roll existing traditional IRA balances INTO your current 401k plan if it accepts rollovers. This clears out your traditional IRA balance so you can do clean backdoor Roth conversions going forward. Not all 401k plans allow this, but many do.

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