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Andre Moreau

Long term vs short term cap gains when in low tax bracket - does it make sense to sell early?

So I'm trying to figure out if there are situations where it could make more sense to sell investments before hitting the long term capital gains status. Here's my situation: My spouse and I have a combined income of around $215k per year, but I'm the only one working right now. According to what I can find online, my long term capital gains tax rate should be 15% for 2024/2025. But when I look at my effective tax rate from last year, it was only like 11.8% because of our filing status and deductions. This has me wondering - would I actually pay less in taxes if I sold some of my stocks before they hit the 1 year mark? If my effective tax rate is lower than the capital gains rate, does it make financial sense to sell early rather than waiting for long term capital gains treatment? I know conventional wisdom says to always hold for long term, but I'm trying to understand if there are exceptions to this rule based on tax brackets and effective rates. Anyone have insight on this?

This is actually a really good question that gets at some of the nuances of how capital gains are actually taxed. Short-term capital gains are taxed as ordinary income, so they're added on top of your existing income and taxed at your marginal tax rate (not your effective rate). Long-term capital gains get their own special tax rates (0%, 15%, or 20% depending on your income). With your household income of $215k, your marginal tax rate is likely 24% or 32% (depending on exact filing status and deductions), which means any short-term gains would be taxed at that rate - significantly higher than the 15% long-term rate you'd qualify for. Your effective tax rate of 11.8% represents the average rate paid across ALL your income after deductions, credits, etc. But new income (like capital gains) gets taxed at your marginal rate, not your effective rate.

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But what if the capital gains aren't that big? Like if I'm only selling a small amount, would it still get taxed at the highest marginal rate? Or is there some threshold where it might make sense?

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Even small capital gains get added on top of your existing income, so they'd still be taxed at your marginal rate, not your effective rate. The size of the gain doesn't change which rate applies - it's all about what tax bracket the gain falls into. For someone making $215k married filing jointly, any additional income (including short-term gains) would be taxed at either 24% or 32% depending on your exact situation. That's still considerably higher than the 15% you'd pay for long-term gains. The only time it might make sense to sell early is if you expect your tax rate to be higher in the future, or if you need the money now and can't wait.

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Mei Chen

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CosmicCadet

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Did they just tell you the same thing the person above said or was there more to it? Seems like standard tax advice.

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Liam O'Connor

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How long did it take them to analyze everything? I've got a similar situation but with some company stock options that have different grant dates and I need to figure this out pretty quickly.

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Mei Chen

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They actually provided a detailed breakdown that was specific to my situation, showing how different selling dates would impact my total tax bill. It wasn't just generic advice - they ran the numbers through different scenarios including how my state taxes would be affected too. It was pretty quick - I uploaded my previous tax return and investment info, and got the analysis back in about 20 minutes. They have this feature where they can analyze different scenarios with different amounts and timing of sales. For stock options with multiple grant dates, that would be especially helpful since those can get complicated with different basis amounts.

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Liam O'Connor

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Amara Adeyemi

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How exactly does this work? They just call the IRS for you or something? I don't get it.

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Yeah right. No way this actually works. I've been trying to get through to the IRS for 3 weeks about a similar capital gains question. Nobody can magically get you to the front of that phone queue.

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Amara Adeyemi

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Well I have to eat my words. After seeing the comment about Claimyr I decided to try it since I was desperate to get an answer about my capital gains situation before making a selling decision. Got connected to an IRS rep in about 20 minutes when I'd been trying unsuccessfully for weeks. The agent was able to pull up my previous returns and gave me personalized advice about my capital gains question. Turns out in my specific situation with some carried forward losses from 2023, I was actually better off realizing some gains this year rather than waiting. I would have made a costly mistake without getting this clarification. Sorry for being so skeptical before, but dealing with the IRS had made me pretty cynical.

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Dylan Wright

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There's one scenario where selling before long term might make sense that hasn't been mentioned yet. If you have capital losses to offset the gains, then the short vs long term question becomes less important. For example, if you have $10k in short term gains but also $10k in losses to harvest, they offset each other. This strategy is called tax-loss harvesting and can be really useful for managing your tax liability regardless of your bracket.

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NebulaKnight

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Does it matter if the losses are short term or long term when you're offsetting gains? Like can I use long term losses to offset short term gains?

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Dylan Wright

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Great question! The IRS has specific rules about how losses and gains offset each other. First, short-term losses are used to offset short-term gains, and long-term losses are used to offset long-term gains. If you have excess in either category, then you can use them to offset the other type. For example, if you have $10k in short-term losses but only $5k in short-term gains, you'd first offset those short-term gains completely. Then you'd have $5k in short-term losses remaining, which could be used to offset long-term gains. If you still have excess losses after offsetting all gains, you can deduct up to $3,000 against other income, and carry forward any remaining losses to future years.

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Sofia Ramirez

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I think everyone's missing an important point here - tax-advantaged accounts! If you're worried about capital gains taxes, you should be maxing out your 401k, IRA, HSA etc first before investing in taxable accounts. I'm in a similar income bracket ($230k household) and haven't paid a cent in capital gains taxes in years because most of my investments are in tax advantaged accounts. Only have to worry about this stuff for my brokerage account.

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Dmitry Popov

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This doesn't answer OP's question at all. They're clearly asking about taxable accounts where capital gains matter. Not everyone can fit all their investments into tax advantaged accounts especially at higher income levels where contribution limits are an issue.

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