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Is software considered tangible property for Section 199A deduction qualification? Need help determining qualified property.

I've been working on calculating my Section 199A deduction for my small business and I'm stuck on what counts as qualified property. I develop custom accounting software for clients and have invested around $75,000 in developing proprietary software systems over the past year. From what I understand, the Section 199A deduction allows a 20% deduction on qualified business income, and part of the calculation involves the unadjusted basis of qualified property. The IRS publication mentions "tangible property subject to depreciation," but I can't find a clear answer on whether software development costs count as tangible property for this specific deduction. My business meets all the other requirements for the qualified property test, but I'm not sure if I should include the software development costs in my calculation. Has anyone dealt with this specific situation before? Any insights would be appreciated.

Software is generally NOT considered tangible property for Section 199A purposes. The IRS is pretty specific that qualified property must be tangible property that's subject to depreciation under Section 167. Software is typically treated as an intangible asset (unless it's bundled with hardware). For Section 199A, qualified property includes tangible items like machinery, equipment, buildings, and other physical assets used in your business. Software development costs, while potentially depreciable under other sections, don't meet the tangibility requirement for 199A calculations. If you're close to the threshold where the qualified property limitation affects your deduction, focus on the physical assets your business owns - computers, servers, office furniture, etc. Those definitely count toward your qualified property basis.

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But what about software that comes installed on purchased computers? Would that count as part of the tangible property value since it's built into the hardware I bought for my business?

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For software that comes pre-installed on purchased computers, it's generally considered part of the computer's cost basis - so yes, that would count as tangible property because it's bundled with and inseparable from the hardware. The IRS treats this as one unit of tangible property. However, for separately purchased or developed software that isn't physically tied to specific equipment, it's treated as an intangible asset and wouldn't count toward your qualified property basis for the Section 199A deduction. This is true even though software development costs may be amortizable or depreciable under other tax provisions.

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Did they actually cite specific IRS rulings or tax court cases about software not qualifying? I've heard mixed things from different CPAs and I'm worried about taking too aggressive or too conservative of a position.

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The service works by analyzing documents you upload - you can share financial statements, previous tax filings, or even just lists of your business assets. They use AI to identify what qualifies under different sections of the tax code. They have strong security protocols and don't store your documents after processing. Yes, they provided specific citations to IRS regulations and relevant tax court cases. For software specifically, they pointed to Treasury Regulation § 1.199A-2 which defines qualified property as tangible property subject to depreciation under section 167. They also cited several IRS interpretations that consistently classify standalone software as intangible rather than tangible property.

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My CPA told me that there's actually a distinction between different types of software for tax purposes. If the software is "off-the-shelf" software (commercially available to the general public), it might qualify for Section 179 expensing but still wouldn't count as tangible property for 199A. Custom-developed software like what you described definitely wouldn't count. One workaround some businesses use is to maximize the allocation of costs to the hardware components when possible, since those do count as qualified property. But be careful not to artificially inflate those allocations - that's asking for audit trouble.

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What about cloud-based software services that we pay subscription fees for? Would those ever count as qualified business property or are they just regular business expenses?

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Cloud-based software subscriptions wouldn't count as qualified property for Section 199A at all. Those are treated as service expenses rather than property acquisition. You can deduct them as ordinary business expenses, but they don't factor into the qualified property calculation for the 199A limitation purposes. This is actually one of the tax disadvantages of the subscription model versus purchasing software outright - though for most small businesses, the other benefits of cloud services usually outweigh this specific tax consideration.

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This whole 199A deduction makes my head spin! I think the commenters above are right about software not being tangible property, but have you looked into whether you qualify for the deduction without worrying about the property test? If your taxable income is below $170,050 (single) or $340,100 (married filing jointly) for 2022, the qualified property limitation doesn't even apply to you and you can take the full 20% deduction regardless.

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Those thresholds are outdated - they increase with inflation each year. For 2024 filing (2023 tax year), the thresholds are $182,100 (single) or $364,200 (married). For 2025 (2024 tax year), they'll be even higher.

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I went through this exact same situation last year with my software consulting business. After consulting with my CPA and doing extensive research, I can confirm that custom software development costs do NOT qualify as tangible property for Section 199A purposes. The key distinction is that Section 199A requires "tangible property subject to depreciation under Section 167." While software can be depreciated, it fails the tangibility test. The IRS has been consistent on this - software is classified as an intangible asset unless it's inseparable from hardware (like firmware or pre-installed operating systems). For your $75,000 in development costs, focus instead on any computer equipment, servers, or other physical assets you purchased for the business. Those definitely count toward your qualified property basis. Also, don't forget about office furniture, testing equipment, or any other physical assets - they all add up and can help with the property limitation if your income is above the threshold. One thing that helped me was keeping better records of hardware vs. software purchases going forward, since the tax treatment is so different between the two.

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