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Dmitry Petrov

Is it impossible to use Section 179 carryover on Form 4562?

I'm tearing my hair out trying to figure this out for my small business. I've been working on Form 4562 for hours and it seems like Worksheet 1 is restricting line 1 to only include Section 179 property that was placed in service during 2023. This limitation flows down to lines 5, 9, 11, and eventually line 12, which completely ignores my carryover from 2022. So it looks like I'll just have the same amount to carry forward to 2024 again! Is this some kind of weird tax trap where you can never actually use your carryover? Am I missing something obvious here? I've gone through the instructions multiple times and I still don't understand how to properly claim my Section 179 carryover amount. Any help would be greatly appreciated because I feel like I'm going crazy with this form!

StarSurfer

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You're not crazy! Form 4562 can be confusing, but you CAN use your Section 179 carryover. The issue might be where you're trying to apply it. The Section 179 carryover from the previous year doesn't go on line 1 of Form 4562. Line 1 is specifically for the cost of Section 179 property placed in service during the current tax year. The carryover amount should be reported directly on line 10 of Form 4562, which is the carryover of disallowed deduction from the prior year. When you complete the form, follow this sequence: - Line 1: Only new property placed in service this year - Complete lines 2-9 as instructed - Line 10: Enter your carryover amount from 2022 - Line 11: Add lines 9 and 10 for your total Section 179 costs - Then continue with the business income limitation calculations Hope this helps clarify things!

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Ava Martinez

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Ok that makes sense, but what if my business income is still below the total Section 179 costs? Will I be able to use my carryover or will I just keep carrying it forward year after year?

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StarSurfer

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The business income limitation still applies, which is why some people end up carrying forward amounts for multiple years. If your business income (after any startup loss carryforwards) is less than your total Section 179 costs (including carryover), you'll only be able to deduct up to the amount of your business income. For example, if you have $20,000 in business income and $30,000 in total Section 179 costs (including carryover), you can only deduct $20,000 this year. The remaining $10,000 would be carried forward again. But with sufficient business income in future years, you will eventually be able to use all of your carryover.

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Yara Elias

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QuantumQuasar

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Yeah right. I've been trying to reach the IRS for MONTHS about my Section 179 issues. No way this actually gets you through to a real person who can actually help with something this technical.

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Paolo Moretti

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Another thing to consider is whether you should even be using Section 179 or just regular depreciation. I made this mistake for years with my business equipment purchases. If your business income is consistently below your Section 179 deduction + carryover, you might be better off just using regular MACRS depreciation instead. That way you get the deduction spread out over several years when you might actually have income to offset. Section 179 is great if you have high income now and want immediate write-offs, but can become a paperwork headache with carryovers if your business income is limited.

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Dmitry Petrov

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That's a really interesting point I hadn't considered. Do you think it's possible to switch from Section 179 to regular depreciation for assets where I've already started with Section 179 but have carryovers?

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Paolo Moretti

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Unfortunately, once you've elected Section 179 for a specific asset, you generally can't switch to regular depreciation for that same asset in future years. The election is irrevocable for that property. However, for any new assets you place in service going forward, you can choose regular depreciation instead of Section 179. This might be a better strategy if your business income is consistently limited. You could do a hybrid approach where high-cost items get regular depreciation and only smaller purchases get Section 179 treatment.

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Amina Diop

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Just to add another perspective - make sure you're also accounting for the Section 179 expense limitations correctly. For 2023, the limit is $1,160,000, but there's also the phase-out threshold of $2,890,000. If you have a lot of assets placed in service, this could impact your calculations too.

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Oliver Weber

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The dollar limits aren't usually an issue for small businesses though. Most of us are hitting the business income limitation way before we reach the $1.16 million Section 179 limit lol. I wish I had that problem!

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