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Fiona Gallagher

Is Converting From W2 to LLC Better for High Income Tax Situation?

Hey everyone! I'm in my early 40s working in healthcare and trying to figure out the best way to handle my income tax situation. I'm currently making good money but feeling like I'm getting killed on taxes. My current setup: - Primary W2 job: About $195k/year, flexible schedule (25-30 hours on-site, 10 hours remote paperwork weekly) - Secondary W2 job: Remote work bringing in around $35k annually I just established an LLC in November (only a few months ago) to start offering the same services I provide in my second W2 job, but independently. The plan is to build my own client base and eventually hire others as the business grows. I haven't started operations yet but plan to begin seeking contracts next month. Here's my situation: I just discovered that the owner of my primary job is trying to sell the business (found the listing online and noticed potential buyers touring the facility). The current owner has definitely overextended financially and the business isn't worth what he's asking. The successful sale really depends on keeping the current employees - it's a service-based business where the staff relationships are the real value. I feel like I have a few options: 1) Keep everything as is - maintain both W2 jobs while slowly growing my LLC on the side. 2) Create a holding company with two LLCs underneath: my current remote service LLC, plus a second LLC that would essentially replace my primary W2 job. The facility where I work doesn't directly employ me - my employer just holds the contract with them. The facility loves me, and I believe they might be open to contracting directly with me instead. 3) Wait until the company sells and then negotiate better terms with the new owners (my skills are in high demand). What would make the most sense from a tax perspective? I'm trying to move toward financial independence, and the tax burden from high W2 income seems to be a major obstacle. Any thoughts?

Thais Soares

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Your situation is actually pretty common for high-income professionals. The W2 vs LLC question comes down to a few key factors. For tax benefits, an LLC that elects S-Corp taxation can potentially save you significant money. When structured properly, you can pay yourself a "reasonable salary" that's subject to self-employment taxes (15.3% for Social Security/Medicare), but then take the remaining profits as distributions that avoid those taxes. This works especially well at your income level. However, there are important tradeoffs. As a W2 employee, your employer pays half your FICA taxes, provides benefits like health insurance, retirement plans, paid time off, and handles administrative overhead. When you go independent, you'll need to replace these yourself, which can be costly and time-consuming. For your specific situation, I'd recommend a hybrid approach. Option 2 has potential, but make sure you're not violating any non-compete agreements with your current employer. Also consider that while the facility may love you, they might be contractually prevented from working directly with you. Whatever you choose, make sure to work with both a tax professional who specializes in business structures AND an attorney who can review any existing contracts to prevent legal issues.

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Nalani Liu

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Thanks for this breakdown. Question - if they go with the S-Corp election, what's considered a "reasonable salary"? Like do they need to pay themselves 80% of what they currently make as salary, or can they go lower? Also, does health insurance work differently for S-Corps vs sole proprietors?

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Thais Soares

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The "reasonable salary" requirement means paying yourself what someone in your position, with your qualifications, would typically earn in your geographic area for similar work. The IRS scrutinizes this closely for S-Corps, especially in service businesses. Generally, you can't just pay yourself a minimal salary to avoid payroll taxes - for someone in healthcare making $195k as an employee, your S-Corp salary should probably be at least 60-70% of your previous compensation. Health insurance for S-Corp owners who own more than 2% of the company is treated differently than for regular employees. While the corporation can deduct the premiums, you'll need to report them as income on your W-2 (though you may then deduct them on your personal return). For sole proprietors, you can take the self-employed health insurance deduction directly on your personal return.

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Axel Bourke

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Can they just form an LLC without electing S-Corp status? I thought regular LLCs were simpler to manage but still gave some protection?

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Thais Soares

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An LLC without S-Corp election (default status) is indeed simpler to manage, but it doesn't provide the same tax advantages for higher income earners. By default, a single-member LLC is taxed as a sole proprietorship, meaning all profits are subject to self-employment tax (15.3%) plus regular income tax. The main benefit of a default LLC is legal protection - separating your personal assets from business liabilities. However, at your income level, the self-employment tax savings from an S-Corp election would likely be substantial enough to justify the additional complexity and costs (payroll processing, more complex tax filings, etc.).

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Aidan Percy

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Kendrick Webb

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From someone who's been dealing with the IRS constantly this year - whatever structure you choose, make sure you've got someone who can help if you get questions from the IRS. I switched from W2 to independent contractor last year and even though I did everything right, the IRS has been sending me letters questioning my deductions. I wasted WEEKS trying to call them directly - literally 50+ attempts, always disconnected or on hold for hours. Finally found https://claimyr.com and watched their demo at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c - they got me connected to an actual IRS agent in under an hour when I'd been trying for weeks on my own. Ended up resolving my case in one phone call once I finally got through. Just something to keep in mind when you're making these big tax structure changes - the IRS scrutinizes self-employed folks and S-Corps way more than W2 employees. Having a way to actually talk to them when needed is invaluable.

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Hattie Carson

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How does this even work? The IRS phone system is notoriously terrible - did they just keep calling for you or do they have some special access?

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Kendrick Webb

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Dyllan Nantx

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet - if you go the LLC route, especially with S-Corp election, you'll lose access to unemployment benefits if things go south. As a W2 employee, you're paying into the unemployment system, but as a business owner, you're not covered. Also consider the retirement plan differences. As a W2 employee, you probably have a 401k with matching. As a business owner, you'll need to set up your own retirement plan. The good news is that Solo 401ks and SEP IRAs often allow higher contribution limits than employee plans. Healthcare is another major consideration. The marketplace plans available to self-employed individuals are often more expensive and provide less coverage than employer group plans. Not saying don't do it - just be sure you're accounting for ALL the differences, not just the tax savings.

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These are really good points I hadn't fully considered. Can you explain more about the retirement plan options? I currently have a 401k with about a 4% match at my primary job. Would I potentially be able to contribute more as a business owner?

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Dyllan Nantx

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Absolutely! As a business owner, you can set up a Solo 401k which has two components: the employee contribution (up to $22,500 in 2023, same as regular 401k) PLUS an employer contribution of up to 25% of your compensation up to a combined maximum of $66,000. This is substantially higher than what you can contribute as a W2 employee. Another option is a SEP IRA, which allows you to contribute up to 25% of your net self-employment income up to the same $66,000 cap. The right choice depends on your specific situation and income level. If you're looking to really max out retirement savings, business ownership can definitely provide advantages over W2 employment.

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hey sorry if this is a dumb question but in your situation have you considered just asking for a raise at your main job instead of all this complicated business stuff? like if you're really that valuable to them maybe they'd just pay you more? seems easier than forming companies and all that

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Anna Xian

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Not a dumb question at all. The issue isn't just about getting more gross income - it's about how that income is taxed. W2 income over certain thresholds gets absolutely hammered with taxes that can't be avoided. Business ownership opens up legitimate tax strategies that can significantly reduce your effective tax rate even on the same gross income.

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Don't overlook state tax implications in your planning! I noticed you mentioned your second W2 is from another state. If you're forming an LLC, you'll need to consider: 1. Which state to form it in 2. Whether you'll need to register as a foreign entity in other states 3. Whether you'll have nexus (tax presence) in multiple states 4. How your home state treats pass-through entity income I formed my consulting LLC in Wyoming for liability protection but ended up having to register in my home state too and file multiple state returns. The compliance costs eat into the tax savings. Also, if you go with option 2 and create a holding company with two LLCs, that's adding even more complexity and potential state filing requirements. Just something to factor into your decision!

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That's a really good point. My primary job is in Maryland and my remote work is for a company based in Florida. I hadn't thought about the multi-state implications of this. Do you know if Maryland has any specific rules about LLCs that I should be aware of?

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Maryland is actually one of the more expensive states for maintaining an LLC - they have a $300 annual filing fee, which is on the higher end. They also have a personal property tax return requirement for businesses even if you don't have physical property. For your situation, since you're physically performing services in Maryland, you'd almost certainly need to register your LLC there regardless of where you form it. And if you're providing services to Florida clients, you might need to look into Florida's economic nexus rules to determine if you need to register there too. Multi-state taxation gets complicated fast, so I'd recommend finding a CPA who specializes in this area. The state compliance costs can add several thousand dollars annually to your operating expenses.

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I'm in a similar situation as a healthcare professional who made the transition from W2 to S-Corp last year. A few things I learned that might help: Timing is crucial - don't rush the decision while your primary employer is potentially selling. That uncertainty could work in your favor for negotiations with either the current owner or new buyers. You might get better terms (higher pay, equity stake, etc.) that could make the W2 route more attractive. For the LLC structure, I'd recommend starting simple with just one entity initially. You can always add complexity later, but managing multiple LLCs from day one creates unnecessary overhead and costs. Focus on getting one profitable before expanding. Also consider the cash flow implications - W2 gives you steady paychecks, but business income can be unpredictable, especially in the early stages. Make sure you have 6-12 months of expenses saved before making any major transitions. The tax savings are real, but they only matter if you're actually profitable. I'd suggest keeping your primary W2 job (even if terms change with new ownership) while building your LLC on the side. Once it's generating consistent income, then you can make the switch with confidence. Have you run the numbers on what your LLC would need to generate monthly to replace your W2 income after accounting for benefits, taxes, and business expenses?

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Raj Gupta

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This is really solid advice, especially about timing and cash flow. I haven't done the detailed math yet on what the LLC would need to generate monthly - that's definitely something I need to figure out before making any moves. One question though - when you made the transition to S-Corp, how did you handle the gap between steady W2 paychecks and the more irregular business income? Did you set up a separate business account to smooth out the payments to yourself, or just deal with the variability? I'm used to getting paid every two weeks and I'm a bit nervous about the income uncertainty. Also, did you find that clients were willing to pay the same rates you were earning as a W2 employee, or did you have to adjust your pricing strategy?

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I'm also in healthcare and have been wrestling with similar decisions. One thing that helped me was creating a detailed spreadsheet comparing the true net income from each scenario - not just the gross numbers, but factoring in all the hidden costs of self-employment. For example, when I calculated replacing my $180k W2 job, I had to account for: - Self-employment taxes (15.3% on the first ~$160k) - Health insurance premiums (went from $200/month to $800/month for similar coverage) - No more employer 401k match ($7,200/year I was losing) - Professional liability insurance - Business formation and maintenance costs - Accounting/bookkeeping expenses My LLC needed to generate about $220k+ just to match my W2 take-home pay. That was eye-opening. Given the uncertainty with your primary employer's sale, I'd strongly suggest keeping that stable income while you test the waters with your LLC. You mentioned your skills are in high demand - that's actually perfect for negotiating better terms with whoever ends up owning the practice. Have you considered proposing a hybrid arrangement where you maintain your W2 status but negotiate for additional compensation or equity in exchange for helping ensure the business transition goes smoothly? Sometimes the best tax strategy is just earning more money in your current structure.

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PixelPrincess

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This breakdown is incredibly helpful! I never thought about calculating the true replacement income needed - just looking at gross numbers is definitely misleading. Your point about needing $220k to replace $180k W2 income really puts things in perspective. The hybrid arrangement idea is interesting too. Given that my current employer is struggling financially and trying to sell, I wonder if there's an opportunity to negotiate some kind of consulting agreement or even discuss acquiring part of the business myself. The fact that buyers are specifically interested because of the existing staff relationships suggests there might be room for creative arrangements. I'm definitely going to create a similar spreadsheet for my situation. The health insurance cost difference alone is probably going to be a shock - I'm currently paying almost nothing for pretty comprehensive coverage through my employer. Thanks for sharing the real numbers - it's exactly the kind of practical insight I needed to hear before making any major decisions.

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Owen Devar

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This is such a complex decision with so many moving pieces! I've been following this thread closely because I'm in a somewhat similar situation as a healthcare professional considering the jump from W2 to business ownership. One thing that struck me from reading all the responses is how much the specific details of your contracts and relationships matter. The fact that your primary employer is trying to sell while being financially overextended, combined with your statement that the facility loves working with you, suggests you might have more leverage than you initially realized. Before diving into the LLC/S-Corp decision, have you considered reaching out directly to the facility to gauge their interest in working with you independently? Sometimes these conversations can reveal opportunities you hadn't considered - maybe they're frustrated with your current employer's financial issues and would welcome a more stable arrangement. From a risk management perspective, I'd lean toward keeping your primary W2 income stable during this transition period while building your LLC client base. The uncertainty around the business sale creates enough volatility without adding the income unpredictability of going fully independent right away. The tax benefits of business ownership are definitely real at your income level, but as others have pointed out, they only help if you're actually generating sustainable revenue. Given that you haven't started operations yet with your LLC, I'd suggest giving yourself at least 6-12 months to build that track record before making any major changes to your primary income source. What's your timeline for when you absolutely need to make this decision? The business sale process could take months, which might give you time to test the waters with your LLC while keeping your options open.

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This is really solid strategic thinking! You're absolutely right about leveraging the facility relationship - if they're already happy with your work and potentially frustrated with the current employer's financial instability, that could be a golden opportunity. I'm curious about the timeline aspect too. Business sales in healthcare can drag on for months, especially if the seller is asking too much (which sounds like the case here). That buffer time could be perfect for testing your LLC concept with smaller clients while keeping your primary income secure. One thing I'd add - have you looked into whether your current employment contract has any non-compete or non-solicitation clauses that might affect your ability to work directly with the facility? Healthcare contracts can be pretty restrictive, and you'd want to know about any potential legal hurdles before having those conversations. Also, the leverage you mentioned works both ways. If new owners do come in and you've already proven you can generate independent income through your LLC, you'll be negotiating from a much stronger position for better W2 terms, equity, or even a hybrid consulting arrangement.

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Freya Thomsen

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I've been through a similar transition in healthcare and wanted to share some practical insights that might help with your decision. The timing of your employer's potential sale actually creates a unique opportunity. Instead of rushing into a full LLC conversion, consider this a chance to negotiate from a position of strength. Healthcare businesses are heavily dependent on key personnel relationships - which you clearly have given the facility's preference for you. Here's what I'd suggest as a phased approach: **Phase 1 (Next 3-6 months):** Keep your W2 positions while starting to build your LLC client base with smaller contracts. This gives you real data on what you can actually earn independently while maintaining financial stability during the business sale uncertainty. **Phase 2 (6-12 months):** Once you have proven LLC revenue and clarity on the business sale outcome, you can make an informed decision about converting your primary income. By then you'll know: a) what your LLC can realistically generate, b) who the new owners are and what terms they offer, and c) whether the facility would work with you directly. Regarding the tax structure question - S-Corp election makes sense at your income level, but only after you're generating consistent business revenue. The administrative overhead and reasonable salary requirements aren't worth it for a startup LLC that's still building its client base. One often-overlooked advantage: if you do eventually negotiate directly with the facility, you might be able to structure it as a long-term contract that provides more income stability than typical independent work while still getting the tax benefits of business ownership. Have you had any preliminary conversations with the facility about their satisfaction with current arrangements?

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