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Adrian Connor

How to override Form 3804 calculated amount for K1's? System using generated figure instead of actual payments

I'm totally at my wits end trying to figure this out. We've got this partnership return where Form 3804 (Application for Filing Extension) is calculating some amount, but here's the problem - we didn't actually pay the entire calculated amount shown on the form. Now our tax software (we're using CCH Axcess) is being stubborn and using the figure that was generated on Form 3804 for the amount on the partnership return and all the K1's instead of using the actual payments we made. This is going to cause major issues with our partners. I've spent like 2 hours searching through settings and trying different overrides but nothing seems to work. The system keeps defaulting back to that Form 3804 calculated amount. Does anyone know how to force CCH Axcess to use our actual payment amount instead of whatever number Form 3804 is spitting out? My managing partner is breathing down my neck about this and I'm completely stuck!

Aisha Jackson

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This is actually a common issue with CCH Axcess that I've encountered many times. The system is designed to pull the calculated liability from Form 3804 rather than your actual payments by default. To override this, you'll need to go to the "Payments/Penalties" worksheet in CCH Axcess. Look for the extension payment section and manually enter your actual payment amount there. Then check the box labeled "Override calculated amount" (it might be called something slightly different depending on your version). This tells the system to use your entered amount instead of the calculated figure. After making this change, you should regenerate the K1s and verify that they now show the correct payment amount. The system sometimes needs a full recalculation to properly apply the override.

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When I tried this on our system, I couldn't find the "override calculated amount" checkbox anywhere in the Payments/Penalties worksheet. Is there another place it might be hiding? Our firm just updated to the newest version last month so maybe things moved around?

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Aisha Jackson

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You might need to look under "Estimates and Extensions" instead of "Payments/Penalties" in newer versions. CCH has been moving things around lately. Click on the Extensions tab, and you should see fields for both the calculated amount and actual payment amount. There should be a small checkbox or radio button option nearby that says "Use payment amount" or "Override calculated value." If you still can't find it, try going to Form Settings and search for "3804" - this sometimes gives you direct access to the override options for specific forms. Let me know if you still have trouble locating it!

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Lilly Curtis

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I was having the exact same headache with Form 3804 calculations a few months ago and nearly lost my mind! After a ton of trial and error, I started using taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) and it saved me so much time. Their software analyzed our CCH Axcess setup and identified exactly where the Form 3804 override settings were hiding - turns out it wasn't where the documentation said it would be. Their system showed me how to correctly set up the payment override and even helped troubleshoot why the K1s weren't updating properly after I made the change. Apparently there was a recalculation sequence I needed to follow for the changes to properly flow through to all the forms.

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Leo Simmons

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Does taxr.ai work with other tax software too? We're using UltraTax and constantly run into weird override issues that the support team can't seem to help with. Also, how complicated is it to set up? I'm not super tech savvy.

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Lindsey Fry

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I'm a bit skeptical about using third-party tools with our tax software. Did you have any issues with data security? Our firm is really strict about client data protection and I'm worried about connecting our system to something external.

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Lilly Curtis

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Leo Simmons

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Saleem Vaziri

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Kayla Morgan

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How exactly does this work? Do they have some special connection to CCH support or something? I'm confused how a third-party service can get you through faster than calling directly.

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Lindsey Fry

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This sounds too good to be true. CCH support is notoriously impossible to reach. Are you affiliated with this service or something? No offense, but I'm very skeptical that anything could actually cut through CCH's hold times.

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Saleem Vaziri

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Lindsey Fry

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I need to eat my words about being skeptical. After seeing the responses here, I decided to try Claimyr yesterday when I had an urgent issue with a complicated return and CCH's online knowledge base was no help. I expected it to be a waste of time but figured it was worth trying since I needed an answer ASAP. I put in my request around 1pm, and at 1:45 my phone rang - it was an actual CCH support specialist! They walked me through fixing our Form 3804 issue (which turned out to be related to a partnership allocation setting that was causing the override to be ignored). The CCH tech actually told me they had 150+ people in the support queue at that moment, so I would have been waiting for 4+ hours if I'd called directly. Definitely using this service from now on when we have urgent software issues.

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James Maki

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Has anyone found a permanent fix for this Form 3804 issue? We're having the same problem every single time we do an extension for our partnership returns. I'd rather fix the underlying problem than have to do manual overrides for every return.

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From what I understand, it's actually working as designed - the software calculates the proper extension amount for the projected tax liability. The problem is when you decide not to pay the full calculated amount. There's no permanent fix because you're essentially asking the software to report something different than what it calculates as the correct amount.

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James Maki

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I see what you're saying, but that seems like a really common scenario that the software should handle more gracefully. Sometimes our partnerships don't want to pay the full calculated amount for cash flow reasons, but they still need the K1s to properly reflect what was actually paid. I guess I'll have to keep doing the manual override every time. Thanks for explaining though - at least now I understand why this keeps happening.

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Cole Roush

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Does anyone know if ProSeries handles this better? We're considering switching tax software next year and this Form 3804 override issue is one of many frustrations we've had with CCH.

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ProSeries actually makes this type of override much easier. There's a clear field for "calculated amount" and a separate field for "amount paid" - and you can choose which one to use for the return and flow-through entities. It's one of the things I like better about ProSeries compared to CCH, though it has its own quirks for sure.

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Luca Russo

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I've dealt with this exact CCH Axcess issue multiple times! Here's what worked for me: First, make sure you're looking in the right place - in newer versions of CCH Axcess, the override isn't always in the obvious spot. Go to the partnership return, then look for "Form 3804" in the left navigation panel. Click directly on that form rather than going through the Payments section. Once you're on Form 3804 itself, you should see both the "Calculated Extension Amount" and a field for "Extension Payment Made." The key is to enter your actual payment amount in that second field, then look for a small dropdown or radio button that says something like "Use payment amount for K-1 reporting" or "Override calculated amount for distributions." After making this change, you MUST regenerate all the K-1s from scratch - just recalculating won't always pick up the override. Go to Forms > K-1s and click "Regenerate All" rather than just "Calculate." One more tip: if you're still having trouble, check the partnership's "Allocation Methods" settings. Sometimes there's a global setting that forces the software to use calculated amounts regardless of your overrides. Hope this helps - I know how frustrating this can be!

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