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How to locate qualified business income (QBI) deduction on K-1 for day-trader estate

I'm handling my late uncle's tax return who passed away last October. He was pretty heavily into day-trading as his main source of income, and now I'm dealing with a stack of Schedule K-1 forms from various trading partnerships he was involved with. I'm using FreeTaxUSA to file his final return, and when I started entering one of his K-1s, the software prompted me with a message about qualified business income (QBI) deduction. Honestly, I have no idea where to find this information on the K-1 or if it's even applicable in his situation. Does anyone know where exactly on the K-1 I should be looking for the QBI deduction information? Is this something that's automatically calculated or do I need specific numbers from specific boxes? This is my first time dealing with K-1s and I'm completely lost on this QBI deduction thing.

Aisha Rahman

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The QBI deduction information isn't directly listed as a line item on the K-1 itself. What you need to look for is in the supplemental information section of the K-1, usually attached as a separate page or pages. For partnerships, the QBI information is typically reported in box 20 of Schedule K-1 (Form 1065) with code Z. This should include your uncle's share of qualified business income, along with any information about qualified property or W-2 wages that might be needed to calculate the deduction. If you don't see anything with code Z in box 20, check all supplemental statements or attachments that came with the K-1. Sometimes partnerships provide this information in a separate statement rather than on the form itself.

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QuantumQueen

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Thanks for the info. I checked box 20 on one of the K-1s and I don't see a code Z anywhere. There are a bunch of attached statements though, so I'll go through those more carefully. Does it matter that he was just trading stocks through these partnerships rather than running an actual business?

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Aisha Rahman

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Trading activities through partnerships can be tricky for QBI purposes. If your uncle was just a passive investor in trading partnerships, the income might not qualify for the QBI deduction. The QBI deduction generally applies to income from a "qualified trade or business," but there are specific rules that often exclude pure investment activities. Check those supplemental statements carefully. If the partnership determined that some portion of the activity qualifies for QBI, they should have provided that information. If nothing is listed regarding QBI or Section 199A (which is the tax code section for QBI), it might mean the partnership determined the activities didn't qualify.

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Ethan Wilson

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Yuki Sato

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Did it actually work with the trading partnerships specifically? My dad was part of a few trading groups and I remember his accountant always complaining about how the QBI stuff was never clearly marked on those K-1s.

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Carmen Flores

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I'm a bit skeptical about using a tool like that with complex K-1s. How does it handle the QBI limitations based on income thresholds? My CPA told me those calculations get really complicated with multiple K-1s.

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Ethan Wilson

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The tool specifically identified which trading activities qualified under the QBI rules. It separated pure investment income from trading partnership activities that counted as "trade or business" income. This was super helpful because the K-1s themselves were really unclear about it. For the income threshold limitations, it actually calculated all that automatically. It looked at the total taxable income across all sources and applied the phase-out rules correctly. The system even flagged when one partnership incorrectly reported some QBI info, which saved me from making a pretty substantial error on the return.

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Yuki Sato

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I ended up trying taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here, and wow - it actually solved my K-1 nightmare! I uploaded my dad's 5 different trading partnership K-1s and it immediately identified which ones had QBI deductions available (only 2 of them qualified) and exactly where that info was buried in the supplemental statements. The tool even explained WHY some of his trading activities qualified while others didn't - apparently there's a distinction between trader status vs. investor status that affects the QBI deduction. The partnerships where he was just a passive investor didn't qualify, but the ones where the partnership itself had trader status did qualify. Saved me from missing about $8,700 in deductions that were hiding in those supplemental pages!

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Andre Dubois

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CyberSamurai

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How does this actually work? Do they just call for you or something? I've been trying to reach someone at my dad's main trading partnership for weeks with no luck.

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Carmen Flores

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This sounds like a scam honestly. How could a third-party service possibly get you through phone queues faster? The IRS and these partnerships have wait times for a reason - they're understaffed. No way some service can magically bypass that.

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Andre Dubois

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They don't call for you - they basically hold your place in line and then call you when they reach a real person. Their system navigates all the phone prompts and stays on hold so you don't have to. It's not magic or a scam - they just automate the waiting process. For the trading partnership I needed to reach, their system navigated through about 7 different menu options to get to the right department (which I wouldn't have known to do), then waited on hold for about 2 hours before getting through. They called me when an actual person picked up.

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Carmen Flores

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I take back what I said about Claimyr. After waiting on hold with my dad's trading partnership for 3+ hours yesterday and getting disconnected, I tried the service out of desperation. Got a call back 45 minutes later with an actual human from the partnership's tax department on the line. They confirmed that for trading partnerships, the QBI information is sometimes not even on the K-1 itself but on a completely separate statement with "Section 199A Information" at the top. In our case, this form was buried in a 30-page package they sent. The partnership representative also explained that day-trading activities only qualify for QBI if the partnership itself has "trader status" with the IRS (vs investor status), which is why some K-1s show QBI and others don't. Saved me hours of frustration!

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Carmen Flores

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I take back what I said about Claimyr. After waiting on hold with my dad's trading partnership for 3

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When I filed my husband's final return last year, I found that trading partnerships often don't qualify for QBI at all. According to our accountant, the tax law specifically excludes "specified service trades or businesses" (SSTBs) from QBI benefits if your income is above certain thresholds. Day-trading often falls into this category. The partnerships should indicate whether they're an SSTB in the supplemental information, but many don't do a great job of making this clear.

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QuantumQueen

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Wait, so if day-trading counts as an SSTB, does that mean none of these K-1s qualify for QBI? My uncle's adjusted gross income was around $180,000 last year if that matters for the threshold you mentioned.

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At $180,000 AGI, your uncle would be in the phase-out range for SSTB income, which starts at $170,250 for single filers (for 2024 returns). This means he might still get a partial QBI deduction even from trading activities classified as SSTBs. The partnerships should provide the necessary information to calculate the reduced deduction. However, some trading partnerships might qualify as regular businesses rather than SSTBs if they do more than just trading securities. It really depends on the specific activities of each partnership, which is why checking those supplemental statements is so important.

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Jamal Carter

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Don't forget to check if the K-1s have any Section 199A(g) deductions as well, which is different from the regular QBI deduction. Some agricultural or horticultural partnerships include this, though it's less common with trading partnerships.

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Aisha Rahman

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Good point, though Section 199A(g) deductions are specifically for specified agricultural or horticultural cooperatives, not trading partnerships. The OP mentioned these are trading partnerships, so they wouldn't have the 199A(g) deduction. It's important not to confuse the two types of deductions when reviewing K-1s. Trading partnerships would only have the regular QBI deduction information if they qualify.

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I just went through this exact situation with my brother's estate - he was also heavily into day trading through partnerships. After reading through all these responses, I want to add that you should also check if FreeTaxUSA is properly handling the QBI limitations for estates. Estates have different QBI rules than individual returns. The QBI deduction for estates is limited to the lesser of 20% of the qualified business income OR 20% of the estate's taxable income above the deduction for distributions to beneficiaries. This calculation can be tricky when you have multiple K-1s. Also, since your uncle passed in October, you're dealing with a short tax year which could affect how the QBI deduction is calculated. The software might not automatically adjust for this, so you may want to double-check the calculations manually or consult a tax professional who specializes in estate returns with partnership interests.

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Lucas Bey

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This is really helpful information about estates and QBI that I hadn't considered! I'm using FreeTaxUSA and you're right - it doesn't seem to automatically handle the estate-specific QBI limitations. The software just treats it like a regular individual return when I enter the K-1 information. Do you know if there's a specific place in FreeTaxUSA where I can manually adjust for the short tax year calculation? Or would I need to calculate this separately and override the software's automatic QBI calculation? I'm getting a bit nervous about making manual adjustments since this is all new to me.

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