How to correctly calculate the late payment penalty and interest for unreported income?
So I've been struggling to figure out how to calculate the late payment penalty and interest on some unreported income, and I can't find clear examples online - just some basic information. I need to know if I'm doing this right. Here's my situation: I filed my 2022 tax return on time, but I just realized about 24 months later that I had some unreported income, and I owe $1,050 in additional taxes. I'm immediately paying this with an amended return. For the late payment penalty, my understanding is it's 0.5% per month, so I'm calculating $1,050 × 0.005 × 24 = $126. For the interest part, I know it's the federal short-term rate plus 3%. Let's say the total interest rate is 6%. Since it's compounded daily, that's 6/365% per day. So with 24 months (approximately 24 × 30 days), I'm getting: $1,050 × (1 + 0.06/365)^(24×30) = approximately $1,182. Does this calculation method look right? Am I missing anything or making any mistakes here? Really appreciate any help!
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Austin Leonard
Your understanding of the late payment penalty is correct! It is indeed 0.5% per month (or part of a month) up to a maximum of 25% of the unpaid tax. So your calculation of $126 for the penalty on $1,050 over 24 months is accurate. For the interest calculation, you have the right concept, but there's a small issue. The IRS interest rate changes quarterly, so you would need to apply different rates for different periods rather than using a flat 6% for the entire 24 months. The compounding is correct though - the IRS does compound interest daily. Also, when calculating the interest, you need to be careful about the base amount. Interest applies to both the unpaid tax AND the penalties that accumulate. So technically, each month the interest base would grow as the penalties accrue.
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Anita George
•Wait, so does this mean I need to look up the IRS interest rates for each quarter over the past 2 years? That sounds incredibly complicated. Is there a simpler way to estimate this, or maybe a calculator on the IRS website that would do this automatically? Also, does the interest apply to the penalties from day one, or only after the penalties are assessed?
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Austin Leonard
•Yes, you would need to check the quarterly rates published by the IRS for an exact calculation. The IRS publishes these rates in their quarterly Revenue Rulings. For a rough estimate, your calculation method is reasonable, but it will differ somewhat from what the IRS ultimately calculates. The interest actually accrues on both the tax and penalties, but there's a sequential aspect to it. Interest starts accruing on the unpaid tax from the original due date. As penalties are added each month, interest then begins to accrue on those penalty amounts as well. It creates a cascading effect, which is why IRS interest calculations can get quite complex.
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Abigail Spencer
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Logan Chiang
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Isla Fischer
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Abigail Spencer
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Logan Chiang
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Miles Hammonds
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Ruby Blake
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Isla Fischer
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Miles Hammonds
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Isla Fischer
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Micah Franklin
One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that you might qualify for penalty abatement under the First Time Penalty Abatement policy if you have a clean compliance history! The interest can't be abated (except in very rare circumstances), but you might be able to get the entire failure-to-pay penalty removed. To qualify, you generally need: 1. No penalties for the 3 tax years prior to the year you're requesting abatement 2. All required returns filed (or valid extensions) 3. All taxes due paid or arranged to be paid
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Sophie Duck
•Really? I've never heard of this First Time Penalty Abatement thing. Is this something I need to specifically request, or would the IRS automatically apply it if I qualify? I definitely have a clean tax history before this mistake.
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Micah Franklin
•The IRS will not automatically apply First Time Penalty Abatement - you absolutely need to request it specifically. You can request it when you file your amended return by attaching a letter explaining that you're requesting abatement under the FTA policy, or you can call the IRS after you receive a bill. I recommend requesting it by phone if possible since it's often approved on the spot if you qualify. Just be clear that you're specifically requesting "First Time Penalty Abatement" and explain that you have a clean compliance history for the prior three years. Keep in mind this only removes the penalty portion, not the interest.
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Ella Harper
Something else to consider - the way you're calculating the interest might still be a bit off. The formula you're using assumes continuous compounding, but the IRS uses daily compounding. For daily compounding over 24 months (approximately 730 days), the formula would be: Amount = Principal × (1 + r/365)^730 Where r is the annual interest rate. But again, since the rate changes quarterly, you'd need to break this down into segments for each quarter with different rates.
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PrinceJoe
•I thought the IRS compounded interest daily but calculated it using a simple daily rate times the number of days. Like: Principal × (daily rate × number of days). Is that wrong?
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Anastasia Sokolov
•Actually, you're partially right! The IRS does compound interest daily, but the calculation is more nuanced. They use what's called the "daily rate method" where they take the annual rate, divide by 365 to get a daily rate, then multiply by the outstanding balance for each day. So it's: Daily Interest = Outstanding Balance × (Annual Rate ÷ 365) The compounding effect happens because each day's interest gets added to the principal for the next day's calculation. It's not quite the continuous compounding formula that @Ella Harper showed, but it s'also not simple interest. The result is very close to true daily compounding though. The real challenge is that you need to account for the balance changing as penalties accrue monthly AND the interest rate changing quarterly. That s'why tools like the ones mentioned earlier can be so helpful for getting an accurate calculation.
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StarStrider
This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation but for 2021 taxes that I just discovered I underreported. Reading through all these responses, it sounds like the manual calculation approach is pretty complex with all the quarterly rate changes. I'm curious about one thing though - when you file the amended return (Form 1040X), do you need to include your own calculation of the penalties and interest, or does the IRS automatically calculate and bill you for the correct amounts after they process your amendment? I want to make sure I'm paying the right amount upfront rather than getting hit with additional bills later. Also, for anyone who used the First Time Penalty Abatement mentioned by @Micah Franklin - did you request it at the same time as filing your amended return, or wait until after receiving the penalty notice? Trying to figure out the best timing for this.
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