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Cynthia Love

How should royalties be reported on a K1 for tax purposes? Employer put them in wrong box

I just realized a potential issue with how my employer reported royalties on my K-1 last year. They included the royalties I earned in both Box 4a (Guaranteed Payments) and Box 14A (Self-employment Earnings). This doesn't seem right to me. The main problem is that I ended up paying Self-Employment tax on these royalties, which I don't think should apply since royalties are typically considered passive income. From what I understand, passive income shouldn't be subject to SE tax. I want to address this with my employer before they issue this year's K-1 forms. How should royalties actually be reported on a K-1? What's the correct box or section where they should place this income to ensure I'm not incorrectly paying Self-Employment tax on passive royalty income?

Darren Brooks

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You're right to question this. Royalties on a K-1 should typically be reported in Box 11 (Other Income) with code F for royalties, not as guaranteed payments or self-employment earnings. The distinction is important for exactly the reason you mentioned - tax treatment. Royalties are generally not subject to self-employment tax unless they're received in the course of a trade or business. If these are truly passive royalties (like from intellectual property that you're not actively working on anymore), they shouldn't be in boxes that trigger SE tax. Your employer likely made an error in classifying these payments. Many accounting systems default to certain boxes without considering the nature of the income, especially in smaller businesses or partnerships.

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Rosie Harper

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But what if the royalties are related to work you're doing as part of your job? Like I create content for my company and get a percentage of sales. Would that still go in Box 11 or would it be considered earned income since its tied to my actual work?

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Darren Brooks

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That's an excellent question. If the royalties are directly tied to work you're actively performing as part of your job duties, they might actually be correctly classified as earned income. The key distinction is whether you're actively working to generate those royalties or if they're coming from past work/property you're no longer actively involved with. If you're currently creating content and receiving ongoing payments based on its performance, that's more akin to commission or performance-based compensation, which would likely be properly reported as guaranteed payments or self-employment income. True "passive" royalties are typically from assets you've created in the past but no longer actively work on.

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Lena Schultz

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I'm a tax preparer and see this issue often. The key question is whether these royalties are connected to your personal services or not. If you're actively creating content or inventions as part of your job and receiving royalties as compensation, they might correctly be guaranteed payments and subject to SE tax. But if the royalties are from something like passive licensing that isn't connected to services you're currently providing, they should be in Box 11 with code F for royalties. I'd suggest drafting an email to your employer explaining the distinction and asking them to review how your specific royalty arrangement should be classified based on the nature of the income. You might also want to include IRS Publication 541 which discusses partnership distributions.

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Cynthia Love

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Thanks for this explanation. I think the confusion might be because I initially created the intellectual property as part of my job, but now I'm not actively working on it anymore. The company still sells products based on my design, and I get a percentage. Does the classification change once I'm no longer actively working on creating the IP but still getting payments?

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Lena Schultz

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That's a great question that highlights the complexity of royalty classification. The fact that you initially created the IP as part of your job, but are no longer actively working on it, suggests a transition from active to passive income. Generally, once you're no longer actively working on developing or maintaining the IP, the royalties tend to shift toward passive income that wouldn't be subject to self-employment tax. The ongoing payments you receive are more for the use of your previously created property rather than for current services.

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Gemma Andrews

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My accountant told me that the proper treatment depends on your relationship with the partnership. Are you a general partner? Limited partner? Just an employee who gets a K1 for some reason? The rules are different for each situation. If you're a limited partner, royalties are almost always reported in Box 11 and not subject to SE tax. But general partners often have different treatment. Maybe show your employer this article I found helpful: https://www.thetaxadviser.com/issues/2017/jun/determining-self-employment-income-partners-partnerships.html

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Pedro Sawyer

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That article link is super helpful, thanks! One thing it mentions is that guaranteed payments for services are always subject to SE tax, but guaranteed payments for capital aren't necessarily. Maybe the issue is that the employer is classifying the royalties as payments for services when they should be classified as payments for capital (the intellectual property)?

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Lucas Adams

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This is a common issue I've seen with K-1 reporting, and you're absolutely right to question it. The key is understanding the nature of your royalty payments and your role in the partnership. From what you've described, if these are truly passive royalties from intellectual property you created in the past but are no longer actively developing, they should NOT be subject to self-employment tax. The proper reporting would typically be Box 11 with code F for royalties, not as guaranteed payments in Box 4a or self-employment earnings in Box 14A. However, I'd recommend getting a definitive answer by reviewing your partnership agreement and the specific terms of your royalty arrangement. The classification can depend on whether you're considered to be receiving these payments for past services, current services, or simply as a return on capital (your intellectual property). You might want to request a meeting with your employer's accounting department and bring documentation showing the nature of your royalty agreement. If they're unwilling to correct it, consider getting a second opinion from a tax professional who specializes in partnership taxation, as the SE tax implications can be significant over time.

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