Help with Form W-8BEN: Which country of residence for non-US person? Italy or Sweden?
I'm an Italian citizen who was living and working in Sweden for about 3 years until just recently (August 2024). In September I moved to Massachusetts to begin my PhD program. I've got an F1-student visa and I'm receiving a stipend/salary from my university. From what I understand, I don't meet the substantial presence test because of my F1 status, and apparently I won't meet it as long as I remain on this visa type. I'm trying to fill out form W-8BEN for some investments (mainly for dividends) and I'm stuck on which country I should list as my residence as a non-US person. Should it be Italy (my citizenship) or Sweden (where I lived and worked before coming here)? Do I have any flexibility to choose between them? The situation is a bit complicated because I don't own property in either country, but my family is in Italy while my girlfriend is still living in Sweden. Also, my only previous employment was in Sweden before starting the PhD. Would it be legitimate for me to claim Sweden as my country of residence on the W-8BEN? Any advice would be really appreciated - I want to make sure I'm filling this out correctly!
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Aiden Chen
This is a common question for international students and researchers. For the W-8BEN form, your "country of residence" refers to your tax residence, not just citizenship or where you physically lived before. The key factors determining tax residence typically include: where you have permanent ties (family home, bank accounts), where you pay taxes, and where you intend to return after your studies. Since you lived and worked in Sweden for 3 years, presumably had tax residence there before moving to the US, and your girlfriend still lives there, you could have a legitimate claim to Swedish tax residence. However, since you're Italian and have family there, Italy could also be your tax residence if you maintain stronger ties there or intend to return there after your PhD. What might be most important is whether Italy or Sweden has a more favorable tax treaty with the US regarding dividend taxation. Different countries have different withholding rates based on their tax treaties with the US.
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Sophia Bennett
•Thanks for the explanation! So if I understand correctly, I need to consider my "tax residence" rather than just citizenship. Would checking which country has the better tax treaty with the US be a legitimate factor in my decision? Also, does it matter that I was paying taxes in Sweden until recently but have never paid taxes in Italy as an adult?
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Aiden Chen
•Yes, your tax residence is what matters for the W-8BEN, not just citizenship. Which country has a more favorable tax treaty can absolutely be considered when determining which residence to claim, as long as you have legitimate ties to that country - which you do for both countries. The fact that you were paying taxes in Sweden recently is significant and strengthens your claim to Swedish tax residence. If you've never paid taxes in Italy as an adult and don't have financial accounts or property there, your ties to Sweden may actually be stronger from a tax perspective, despite your Italian citizenship.
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Zoey Bianchi
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Christopher Morgan
•Does taxr.ai actually know the specifics about F1 students? My situation is with H1B and I've gotten conflicting advice about my home country vs the country I lived in before moving to the US.
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Aurora St.Pierre
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Zoey Bianchi
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Aurora St.Pierre
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Nora Brooks
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Eli Wang
Something nobody mentioned yet - check if you're still considered a tax resident of Sweden under Swedish tax laws. Each country has their own rules for determining when someone stops being a tax resident after moving abroad. Some European countries consider you a tax resident for the entire calendar year even if you move away partway through the year. Others have specific rules about maintaining tax residency for a certain period after departure if you still have significant ties to the country. If Sweden still considers you a tax resident based on their domestic tax laws, that would give you a stronger claim to list Sweden on your W-8BEN.
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Sophia Bennett
•That's a really good point I hadn't considered. Do you know if there's any downside to claiming Sweden if they still consider me a tax resident? Would I still have tax obligations to Sweden even though I'm now living in the US?
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Eli Wang
•Yes, that's the potential catch - if Sweden still considers you a tax resident, you might have ongoing tax filing obligations there. Sweden, like many countries, taxes its residents on worldwide income. However, there's a tax treaty between the US and Sweden that prevents double taxation. The treaty typically assigns primary taxing rights to the country where you're physically performing work (the US in your case for your PhD stipend), but investment income like dividends can be more complicated. The treaty usually reduces withholding rates, but you might need to report the income in both countries. I'd recommend checking the Skatteverket (Swedish Tax Agency) website or contacting them directly about your specific situation to understand if and when your tax residency in Sweden officially ends.
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Cassandra Moon
Just to add a practical perspective - I'm a German citizen who lived in France before moving to the US for grad school. I listed France on my W-8BEN since that's where I last paid taxes and had my permanent address. My university's international student office advised that for F1 students, the "residence" on W-8BEN should generally be where you would return if your F1 status ended, and where you have the strongest ties. They said citizenship is less relevant than your actual tax home.
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Zane Hernandez
•Did you have any issues with your broker accepting the form with France instead of Germany? I'm worried my investment platform might question why my citizenship country doesn't match my residence country.
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