HELP! Got penalty for not paying estimated tax payments - totally confused and frustrated
I'm completely lost when it comes to this estimated tax thing. I just turned 25 and taxes are still so confusing to me. Last year I got hit with some penalty for not making quarterly estimated tax payments to the IRS, and I'm still trying to understand what happened. I called the IRS helpline but the person I spoke with gave me such technical explanations that I walked away more confused than before. Reading online articles isn't helping either. My husband and I both work regular jobs (not self-employed or anything). In 2023, we got a refund of around $1300. But then for 2024, we ended up owing $2000 because our employers apparently didn't withhold enough throughout the year. I paid the full amount right away, but I accidentally marked the payment as "2025 estimated tax" instead of for my 2024 taxes. When I called the IRS to fix this mistake, they switched it to the correct year but then warned me that I need to pay estimated taxes for this year or I'll get penalized again. I'm totally confused! Why do I need to make estimated tax payments when we both have regular jobs? How often do I need to pay? How much should each payment be? Why is this even necessary if our employers take taxes out of our paychecks? Someone please help me understand this!
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Jamal Carter
The estimated tax penalty can be really confusing! Let me break it down in simple terms. The IRS expects you to pay taxes throughout the year, not just on April 15th. For most people who work regular W-2 jobs, this happens automatically through paycheck withholding. But if your withholding isn't enough, that's when estimated tax payments come in. You generally need to make estimated tax payments if you expect to owe $1,000 or more when you file your return. Since you owed $2,000 last year and had underwithholding, that's why the IRS is saying you should make estimated payments. The easiest fix might be to adjust your W-4 forms with both employers to increase your withholding. This way, you won't need to make separate estimated payments. Just go to your HR departments and submit new W-4 forms requesting additional withholding. If you do need to make estimated payments, they're typically due four times a year (April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year). The amount should be roughly 25% of your expected tax liability minus withholdings.
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Zoe Papadakis
•Thank you so much for explaining this! So if we fix our W-4 forms to have more withheld from each paycheck, we might not need to make those quarterly payments at all? Also, how do I know how much we should increase our withholding by? Is there some way to calculate it based on how much we owed last year?
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Jamal Carter
•Yes, if you adjust your W-4 forms to have enough withheld from your paychecks, you typically won't need to make separate quarterly payments. The goal is to have enough tax paid throughout the year one way or another. You can use last year's shortfall as a guide. Since you were under by $2,000, you could divide that by the number of pay periods remaining in the year. For example, if you get paid twice a month and there are 16 pay periods left, you'd want about $125 extra withheld from each paycheck ($2,000 ÷ 16). The IRS also has a Tax Withholding Estimator tool on their website that can help you figure out the right amount.
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AstroAdventurer
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Mei Liu
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Liam O'Sullivan
•I'm skeptical... how is this different from just using the IRS withholding calculator? Plus how does it know about your "withholding patterns" if you just found the site? Sounds fishy to me.
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AstroAdventurer
•It definitely works well for mixed income situations including side gigs. The system factors in both your W-2 withholding and any self-employment income, then gives you a complete payment schedule that minimizes penalties. Regarding how it differs from the IRS calculator - it's much more comprehensive. The IRS tool only looks at your current situation, while taxr.ai analyzes your historical patterns and adjusts for seasonal variations. I've used both, and taxr.ai caught several issues the IRS calculator missed. It connects to your past tax returns (with your permission) to analyze your actual withholding patterns over time, so it's working with real data, not just estimates. Nothing fishy about it - just more accurate calculations.
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Liam O'Sullivan
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Giovanni Conti
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Liam O'Sullivan
•Yeah right, nobody gets through to the IRS in "20 minutes" when millions of people are calling. I've literally waited 3+ hours multiple times. This sounds like a scam that's just going to waste time and money.
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Liam O'Sullivan
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Fatima Al-Hashimi
You might be able to avoid the penalty entirely even if you were underwithholded! There's a "safe harbor" rule that says you won't get penalized if you paid at least 90% of this year's tax OR 100% of last year's tax (110% if your income is over $150,000). So if your total withholding for this year will at least equal what you owed LAST year, you're safe from penalties even if you end up owing again when you file.
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Zoe Papadakis
•Oh that's really good to know! So if we owed $2000 for 2024, as long as our withholding for 2025 is at least $2000, we won't get penalized even if we end up owing again? That seems more manageable than trying to predict exactly what we'll owe.
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Fatima Al-Hashimi
•That's exactly right! As long as your total withholding for 2025 equals or exceeds what you owed for 2024 ($2000), you'll meet the safe harbor requirement and avoid penalties even if you still end up owing when you file. This is often the simplest approach because you don't have to predict your exact tax liability. Just make sure your withholding meets or exceeds last year's total tax (not just what you owed at filing time, but your total tax liability from last year's return). Many people find this much easier than trying to calculate quarterly payments.
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NeonNova
Something similar happened to me and I realized it was because my spouse and I both selected "Married" on our W-4 forms. This can cause underwithholding when both spouses work! You should both check the box that says "Married, but withhold at higher Single rate" or use the new W-4 form's two-earner worksheet.
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Dylan Campbell
•This is exactly what happened to us! We both checked "Married" thinking it was the right thing to do, but ended up owing $3,400 at tax time. After fixing our W-4s to account for two incomes, our withholding is now spot on.
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