Form 941 (Wage Reporting) - March 12 or March 31 deadline? First-time employer confused
Hey everyone, I'm in a bit of a pickle with my first Form 941 filing. I just hired my first employee who started working for my small clothing boutique on March 17th, and now I'm trying to figure out this whole quarterly tax reporting thing. I use Gusto for payroll (which has been pretty straightforward so far), but when I went to prepare my Form 941 for Q1, I noticed something weird. Line 1 asks about employees paid "including March 12" but the quarter actually ends March 31st. When I looked at the form, line 1 showed 0 employees, but line 2 already had payroll amounts from the last two weeks of March when my employee actually worked. I'm totally confused about the timing here. Should I be filing Form 941 for Q1 even though my employee started after March 12? Or should I wait until Q2 (the June period) to file my first 941? I've been making all the tax deposits on time through Gusto, but I'm not sure if I need to submit the actual form yet. Any advice would be super helpful!
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Micah Trail
This is a common point of confusion for new employers! Line 1 on Form 941 specifically asks for the number of employees who received wages, tips, or other compensation for the pay period including March 12 (for Q1), June 12 (for Q2), etc. Since your employee started on March 17, which is after March 12, you would put "0" on line 1 for Q1. However, you still need to file Form 941 for Q1 because you had payroll expenses in that quarter (the last two weeks of March). Line 2 correctly shows the wages you paid during the entire quarter (January 1 - March 31), regardless of the March 12 date referenced in line 1. The March 12 date on line 1 is just a snapshot date the IRS uses to track employment statistics, but your reporting obligation is for the entire quarter. So yes, you should file Form 941 for Q1 with "0" on line 1 and your actual payroll amounts on line 2 and the rest of the form.
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Nia Watson
•Wait I'm confused. If their employee started after March 12 and they put "0" on line 1, won't that look weird to the IRS when they're reporting wages on line 2? Wouldn't that trigger some kind of flag or something?
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Micah Trail
•No, it won't trigger any flags or issues. This is a very common situation and the IRS is fully aware of it. Line 1 is specifically for statistical purposes to give the government a consistent point-in-time count of employment across the country. Many businesses hire employees mid-quarter, so it's perfectly normal to have wages reported on line 2 but zero employees on line 1 if you didn't have anyone on payroll as of the March 12 pay period. The IRS systems are designed to understand this distinction, and thousands of employers file this exact way every quarter.
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Alberto Souchard
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Katherine Shultz
•Does this work with other payroll tax forms too? Like 940 or state unemployment forms? I'm about to hire my first employee next month and I'm freaking out about all these different forms.
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Marcus Marsh
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Alberto Souchard
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Katherine Shultz
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Hailey O'Leary
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Cedric Chung
•How does this actually work? Do they somehow skip the line or do they just wait on hold for you? Seems too good to be true.
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Marcus Marsh
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Hailey O'Leary
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Marcus Marsh
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Talia Klein
Don't forget to check the state side of things too! Depending on where you're located, you may have additional state-level payroll reporting requirements that kick in when you hire your first employee. For many states, the first quarter you have payroll is when you need to start filing state unemployment tax reports, even if the employee started late in the quarter. You should have received paperwork from your state department of labor or employment when you registered as an employer. Those forms usually have their own filing deadlines that may be different from the federal Form 941 deadline.
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Kristin Frank
•Thank you for bringing this up! I'm in Colorado - do you happen to know if they have any special first-quarter filing requirements? I registered with the state when I set up payroll but was so focused on the federal forms that I haven't looked closely at state requirements.
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Talia Klein
•Colorado requires quarterly unemployment insurance reports for any quarter where you have payroll, even if your employee started mid-quarter. Their form is called the UITR-1 (Unemployment Insurance Tax Report), and it's due by the end of the month following the quarter (so April 30 for Q1). Colorado also has their own specific count date for their reporting, so make sure to check the instructions. The good news is that most payroll software systems like Gusto should prepare these state forms for you automatically along with the federal forms. I'd recommend logging into your state account at myui.coworkforce.com to verify your reporting requirements and deadlines just to be safe.
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Maxwell St. Laurent
I just wanted to add that you're ahead of the game by even asking this question! So many new small business owners miss their first 941 filing and end up with penalties. The fact that you're using a payroll service and asking these questions before the deadline means you're already doing great. One tip: Set calendar reminders for all your quarterly tax deadlines now that you're an employer. The 941 is due by the end of the month following the quarter (April 30 for Q1), but there are also deposit schedules for the actual tax payments that are separate from the form filing. Your payroll software should handle the payments, but it's good to verify everything is happening on schedule.
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PaulineW
•This! I missed my first 941 deadline because I confused the deposit dates with the actual form filing date. Cost me $970 in penalties that my small business definitely couldn't afford. Learn from my mistake!
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Romeo Quest
Hey Kristin! Welcome to the world of being an employer - it's definitely overwhelming at first but you'll get the hang of it. Everyone has already given you great advice about the March 12 date (it's just a statistical snapshot, not your actual filing requirement). Since you're using Gusto, I'd recommend double-checking that they're set to file your 941 automatically for you. Most payroll services offer this as part of their service, which can save you from having to worry about the filing deadlines and form preparation. If they're not handling the filing, make sure you know exactly when your Q1 form is due (April 30th) and set that reminder now. Also, don't forget that as a new employer, you might be subject to semi-weekly deposit schedules depending on your payroll amounts. Gusto should handle this automatically, but it's worth confirming so you don't accidentally miss any deposit deadlines. The deposit penalties can be pretty steep even for small amounts. You're asking all the right questions - keep it up!
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