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Paolo Rizzo

Form 8863 - Which Colleges Count as First and Second on 1098-T?

Hey tax people! I'm totally confused about filling out Form 8863 for education credits. My daughter just started her second semester of college, and I got her 1098-T form from the school. I'm trying to figure out which box to check on Form 8863 - is she considered "first year" or "second year" student? She started in Fall 2024 and is now in her Spring 2025 semester. The 1098-T shows about $14,500 in qualified expenses for the year, but I'm not sure if I'm supposed to mark her as "first year" since this is her freshman year, or "second year" since she's in her second semester. Does anyone know how this works? Also, do I need to attach the actual 1098-T to my return or just keep it for my records? I'm using TurboTax but it's not really explaining this well. Thanks for any help!

QuantumQuest

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The "first year" and "second year" questions on Form 8863 refer to academic years, not semesters. Since your daughter just started college in Fall 2024 and is now in Spring 2025, she's still in her first academic year of college (freshman year). You would mark her as a "first year student" on Form 8863. The academic year typically runs from Fall through Spring, so someone isn't considered a "second year student" until they begin their sophomore year (which would start in Fall 2025 for your daughter). This is important for claiming the American Opportunity Credit, which requires you to specify which year of post-secondary education the student is in. As for the 1098-T form, you don't need to attach it to your tax return. Just keep it with your records for at least 3 years in case of an audit. The IRS already gets a copy directly from the educational institution.

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Amina Sy

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Thanks for this explanation! I have a similar situation but my son transferred schools after his first semester freshman year. He did Fall 2024 at one community college and then transferred to a university for Spring 2025. Does that change anything? I got two different 1098-Ts. Do I still mark him as "first year"? And do I combine the qualified expenses from both forms?

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QuantumQuest

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Yes, your son would still be considered a "first year student" because he's in his first academic year of college, regardless of the transfer. The year classification is based on where they are in their overall academic progress, not which school they attend. You should definitely combine the qualified expenses from both 1098-T forms when calculating your education credit. The limit applies to the student, not the institution, so you can claim up to the maximum allowed qualified expenses ($4,000 for AOTC) across both schools combined for the same student in the same tax year.

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Just to add another perspective on Form 8863 - make sure you're keeping track of which year you're claiming the American Opportunity Credit for each student. You can only claim it for 4 tax years per eligible student, and they don't have to be consecutive years. I messed this up with my older daughter when she took a gap year in the middle of college, and we almost lost a year of credits. Double check if you've claimed it in previous years!

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What happens if your kid takes more than 4 years to graduate? My son is probably going to take 5 years to finish his degree. Can I still claim anything in that fifth year?

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After you've used the American Opportunity Credit for 4 years, you can still claim the Lifetime Learning Credit for any additional years. The Lifetime Learning Credit doesn't have the 4-year limit that AOTC has. The Lifetime Learning Credit is worth less overall (20% of up to $10,000 in qualified expenses, so maximum $2,000 credit), compared to AOTC which can be up to $2,500. But it's definitely better than nothing for that fifth year! Also, Lifetime Learning has fewer restrictions - doesn't require half-time enrollment and can be used for graduate school too.

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Has anyone had luck claiming the education credit when the 1098-T box 1 (payments received) is LESS than box 5 (scholarships)? My daughter got a big scholarship that covered tuition plus some room & board, but I know some of those living expenses aren't qualified education expenses anyway.

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I dealt with this last year. If box 5 is larger than box 1, it usually means the scholarship/grant money exceeded qualified tuition expenses. You generally can't claim a credit in this case because there are no "out-of-pocket" qualified expenses. BUT - here's the trick: If your scholarship/grant is more than qualified expenses, you can choose to treat some of the scholarship as taxable income to your daughter, which then allows you to claim a credit for that same amount of expenses. This sometimes works out better overall, especially if your daughter has little/no other income.

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