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Failed ADP test on 401k plan from previous employer - what now?

Hey everyone, I'm in a weird situation with my old company's 401k plan and could use some advice. I just got notified that my former employer failed their ADP test (something about Actual Deferral Percentage) and I'm getting a refund of around $3100 because I was classified as a Highly Compensated Employee (HCE). The complication is that I already rolled over my entire 401k into my IRA after leaving that job. I did some research and figured the Net Income Attributable (NIA) would be roughly $135, so I went ahead and requested a refund from my current IRA custodian for the total amount and asked them to withhold taxes (which I'm now thinking might've been a mistake). My main question is: Should I try to estimate what will be on the 1099-R that's coming and include it on my 2024 taxes before I file in the next couple months? Or should I wait until the 1099-R actually shows up in 2025 and handle it then? I found some information about HCE 401k refunds after rollovers, but my situation is a bit different since I requested tax withholding on the distribution. I looked at the IRS publication but it doesn't clearly address what to do when you've already completed a rollover. Any guidance would be super appreciated!

This is a common issue with 401k plans that fail discrimination testing. When a plan fails the ADP test, excess contributions from HCEs must be returned, which is what you're experiencing. In your case, since you've already rolled over your 401k to an IRA and then took a distribution from the IRA to account for the failed test, the timing is important. The 1099-R will be issued by your IRA custodian for the year in which you took the distribution. So if you requested and received the distribution in 2024, you'll receive a 1099-R for the 2024 tax year (which you'll file in 2025). I wouldn't try to guess the values on a 1099-R that hasn't been issued yet. The withholding you requested will be reported on that 1099-R, and you'll need those exact figures to report correctly. The distribution will be taxable income in the year you received it (2024 in this case), not the year the ADP test failure was determined.

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Thanks for the explanation. But I'm confused about one thing - does the failed ADP test mean the original contribution shouldn't have been pre-tax in the first place? Or is it just that they're returning some of what I contributed because the plan is out of balance?

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The failed ADP test doesn't mean your contribution shouldn't have been pre-tax. What it means is that the average deferral percentage of highly compensated employees (like you) was too much higher than the average deferral percentage of non-highly compensated employees. This is one of the non-discrimination tests that qualified plans must pass. When the test fails, the plan must correct it by returning excess contributions to HCEs to bring the percentages back into compliance. So the money being returned to you was properly deferred pre-tax at the time, but the plan couldn't keep it and maintain its qualified status.

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How does this actually work? Do you have to upload all your 401k documents or something? My previous employer just sent me a letter about ADP test failure but didn't provide much detail.

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I'm skeptical. Couldn't you just call the 401k administrator and ask them to explain it? Why pay for a service when the company that manages your retirement account should provide this info for free?

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Something important to note that nobody mentioned yet - when you get that 1099-R from your IRA custodian, pay close attention to the distribution code in Box 7. For excess contributions returned to you, it will likely have a specific code that tells you how to treat it on your tax return. Each code means something different, and using the wrong code can trigger unnecessary taxes or penalties. My wife had a similar situation last year and the 1099-R had code "8" which has specific reporting requirements.

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Thanks for bringing this up about the distribution code! Do you know which specific codes I should expect to see for an ADP test correction? And should I be concerned if the 1099-R doesn't specifically mention it was due to a failed test?

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For ADP test corrections, you'll typically see Code "8" (Excess Contributions) or sometimes Code "E" depending on exactly how your plan administrator handles it. What's most important is that Code "1" (Early distribution, no known exception) should NOT appear, as that would incorrectly subject you to the 10% early withdrawal penalty. If the 1099-R doesn't specifically mention the failed test, don't worry too much. The distribution code is what determines the tax treatment, not the description. But keep all your correspondence from your former employer about the failed test in your tax records, just in case you're ever questioned about it.

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I actually work in retirement plan administration (not giving tax advice though!) and want to clarify something: the failed ADP test refund is technically considered a "corrective distribution" and should be reported as taxable income in the year you receive it. The fact that you already rolled over complicates things but doesn't change the fundamental tax treatment. Your former employer should have communicated with both you and your IRA custodian about how to handle this correctly. They dropped the ball if they didn't.

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This is really helpful! Quick question - does the corrective distribution also get hit with the 10% early withdrawal penalty if you're under 59.5?

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