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Melissa Lin

How to report 401k Excess Deferral after switching jobs - need reporting advice

I changed employers last year and accidentally went over the 401k contribution limit by about $374. My new company helped me by removing the excess contributions and sending that money to me. I've been researching how to properly report this, but I'm getting totally different answers everywhere I look. My current employer didn't adjust my W2, and some articles say I shouldn't try to get it corrected anyway and just leave it as is. I'm using FreeTaxUSA and planning to report the excess contribution as miscellaneous income in that section of the software. Since the excess 401k money was removed and sent to me this year (2023), I won't get the 1099-R form until January 2024. From what I understand, I'll use that 1099-R for next year's taxes where I'll only need to report the earnings (which is actually a loss in my situation) on those excess contributions. Does this reporting approach make sense? I want to make sure I'm handling this 401k excess deferral correctly and not missing anything important. Really appreciate any advice!

The approach you're outlining is generally correct. When you exceed the 401k contribution limit (which was $20,500 for 2022), it's called an "excess deferral." Here's how to handle it: For your 2022 taxes (filing now): The excess contribution amount ($374) needs to be included in your taxable income. Your W-2 already shows this amount as part of Box 1 wages, so you don't need to report it again as miscellaneous income - that would be double-counting it. Your W-2 doesn't need correction. For your 2023 taxes (filing next year): You'll receive a 1099-R for the distribution of the excess amount. Code "P" should appear in Box 7 indicating it was an excess contribution removal. You'll only need to report the earnings portion (or losses in your case) on your 2023 return. The principal amount was already taxed on your 2022 return. This is a common issue when changing jobs since employers don't know how much you contributed at previous employers during the same year.

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Melissa Lin

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Thanks for the detailed explanation! I'm a bit confused though - if my W-2 already includes the excess in Box 1, why did my employer send me the excess contribution amount? Doesn't that mean I'm being taxed on money I no longer have? Also, if I have a loss rather than earnings, is that actually beneficial for my 2023 taxes? Would it be like a deduction?

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Your W-2 includes the excess in Box 1 because those funds were originally part of your compensation, even though they were directed to your 401k. When the excess was returned to you, that doesn't change how your total compensation is reported. You're not being double-taxed because you physically received back the money that was over-contributed. Regarding the loss portion, yes, you can report this as a loss on your 2023 return. It will be reported as a negative amount on the 1099-R. You'll be able to deduct this loss as an adjustment to income (not as a miscellaneous itemized deduction), which will slightly reduce your taxable income for 2023.

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Harmony Love

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you also check your state tax return handling of excess deferrals. Some states require different reporting procedures than federal. In my state (California), I had to make a specific adjustment on my state return for the excess contribution even though the federal handling was exactly as described in the other comments.

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Rudy Cenizo

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Do you know if this varies by state? I'm in Texas which doesn't have state income tax, but I'm curious if there's a comprehensive list somewhere of how different states handle this. I might move to Colorado next year.

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Harmony Love

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Yes, it definitely varies by state. Texas has no state income tax as you mentioned, so you don't have to worry about it currently. For Colorado, they generally follow the federal treatment, but they do have some specific forms for retirement income. There's no single comprehensive list that I'm aware of, but most state tax department websites have sections on retirement account contributions. The safest approach when you move is to check Colorado's Department of Revenue website or call them directly. States like New York, California, and Massachusetts often have more distinctive rules that differ from federal treatment.

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Natalie Khan

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I'm surprised nobody mentioned this yet, but you should double-check the 401k contribution limits if you're over 50! If you're eligible for catch-up contributions (additional $6,500 in 2022), you might not have actually gone over the limit. I almost reported an excess that wasn't actually excess because I forgot about the catch-up amount.

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Daryl Bright

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Good point! Also worth mentioning that employer matching contributions don't count toward the employee deferral limit of $20,500 (for 2022). Some people confuse the employee limit with the overall 415(c) limit which includes all contributions.

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