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Javier Cruz

Does this mean I can't claim more dependants than I have on my tax return?

So I've always tried to minimize my tax withholding by claiming more dependents on my W-4 than I actually have. I'm single with no kids, but I've been putting 3 dependents on my forms for years. My coworker just told me that's actually illegal and that I could get in trouble with the IRS for "tax fraud" or something. Is this true? I thought the W-4 was just about how much you want withheld during the year, and as long as you pay what you owe when you file your actual tax return, you're fine. I don't want to get audited or anything, but I also don't want to give the government an interest-free loan all year if I don't have to. Does this actually matter or is my coworker just being dramatic?

Emma Wilson

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Your coworker is partly right, but it's a bit more nuanced. The W-4 form is indeed used to determine how much tax is withheld from your paycheck, but there are some important distinctions to understand. The new W-4 form (redesigned in 2020) doesn't actually use "allowances" or ask for the number of dependents anymore. Instead, it asks for actual dependents who qualify for the Child Tax Credit or other dependent credits. Claiming dependents you don't have on this form would be providing false information. That said, you can adjust your withholding through other means on the W-4, like claiming additional deductions or using the multiple jobs worksheet. The goal is to make your withholding match your actual tax liability as closely as possible - not to pay too much or too little.

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Malik Thomas

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Wait so the IRS doesn't actually care how many dependents I claim as long as my final tax payment is correct? I've been scared to touch my W-4 for years because I thought I'd get in trouble if I didn't put the exact right number.

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Emma Wilson

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No, that's not what I'm saying. The IRS does care about accurate information on your W-4. Intentionally claiming dependents you don't have would be providing false information on a federal form. What I meant is that the new W-4 form provides legitimate ways to adjust your withholding without falsely claiming dependents. You can use the deductions worksheet or the multiple jobs worksheet to reduce withholding legitimately. The goal is to match your withholding to your expected tax liability using accurate information.

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Ravi Malhotra

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AstroAlpha

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Diego Chavez

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Does that calculator thing work for people with multiple jobs or side gig income? I always struggle with getting my withholding right because I have my main job plus some freelance stuff.

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AstroAlpha

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my dad always told me to claim 0 dependents even tho i have 2 kids so i get a bigger refund. is that even legal? been doing it for years lol

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Sean O'Brien

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That's actually the opposite issue but still not ideal. Claiming 0 when you have 2 qualified dependents means you're having TOO MUCH withheld. It's legal but you're giving the government an interest-free loan of your money throughout the year. You'd be better off claiming your actual dependents and putting that extra money to work for you each month.

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