Do people with LLCs actually pay less taxes than regular employees?
I was having coffee with two business owners yesterday, and I got totally confused about how business taxes work. One of them mentioned that he claims himself as his own employee and pays himself a salary through his business. I was like, wait what? How is that even possible? The guy kept insisting it's completely legal and that he's been doing it since he started his business years ago. Both of them were saying that having an LLC is great for tax purposes, but then the first guy mentioned he doesn't actually have an LLC but something called a "Professional Corporation" instead. I'm completely lost on how all this works. Do business owners actually save on taxes this way? Can someone really be their own employee? And what's the difference between an LLC and a Professional Corporation when it comes to taxes?
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Chloe Taylor
This is actually a really common area of confusion! Let me break it down in simple terms. What your friend with the Professional Corporation (PC) is doing is completely legitimate. When you form a corporation (whether it's a PC or regular corporation), that business becomes a separate legal entity from you. The corporation can hire people, including you, the owner! So you can be both the owner AND an employee. For tax purposes, LLCs are different because they're "pass-through entities" by default. This means the business itself doesn't pay taxes - all profits "pass through" to your personal tax return. However, LLCs can elect to be taxed as corporations if they want. The potential tax advantages come from how business expenses work and sometimes from how employment taxes are structured. Business owners can legitimately deduct business expenses before calculating their taxable income, which employees generally can't do. Your friend with the PC is probably using what's called an "S-Corporation" tax election, which can sometimes reduce self-employment taxes on a portion of income. But this isn't automatically "paying less taxes" - it's just a different structure with different rules.
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Diego Flores
•But isn't this just a loophole to avoid paying taxes? I heard business owners use these structures to write off personal expenses as "business expenses" and that's how they end up paying less.
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Chloe Taylor
•That's a common misconception. Business owners can only legitimately deduct actual business expenses - things that are ordinary and necessary for running the business. Using business structures to write off personal expenses as business expenses is actually tax fraud, not a legal strategy. What these business structures do allow is proper separation between business and personal finances, which helps with accounting accuracy and can provide liability protection. The IRS has specific guidelines and will audit businesses they suspect of improperly claiming personal expenses as business deductions.
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Anastasia Ivanova
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Sean Murphy
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StarStrider
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Anastasia Ivanova
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StarStrider
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Zara Malik
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Luca Marino
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Diego Flores
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Zara Malik
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Diego Flores
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Nia Davis
I've owned an LLC for 7 years and want to clarify something important: The LLC itself doesn't automatically save you taxes. It's how you elect to be taxed that matters. By default, a single-member LLC is taxed as a "disregarded entity" (like a sole proprietorship) and a multi-member LLC is taxed as a partnership. In these cases, you're paying self-employment taxes (15.3%) on virtually all your profits. The tax savings usually come when you elect to be taxed as an S-Corporation. Then you can pay yourself a reasonable salary (which is subject to payroll taxes) and take the rest as distributions (which avoid self-employment tax). This strategy typically makes sense once you're making over $80-100K in profit. But there are extra costs too - you need to run payroll, file more complex tax returns, and maintain more formal business records. For my business, it saves me about $12K in taxes but costs about $3K in additional accounting fees.
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Omar Zaki
•Thank you so much for this explanation! So when my friend said he has a Professional Corporation and pays himself a salary, is that basically the same as having an LLC that's elected to be taxed as an S-Corporation?
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Nia Davis
•You're welcome! Your friend's Professional Corporation is somewhat similar to an LLC with S-Corp election, but with some key differences. A Professional Corporation (PC) is a specific type of corporation for licensed professionals like doctors, lawyers, and accountants. They can elect S-Corporation tax treatment just like an LLC can. The main difference is that PCs have different liability protection rules and may have state-specific requirements depending on the profession. But from a tax perspective, if both entities elect S-Corp taxation, they follow similar tax rules - paying a reasonable salary subject to payroll taxes, then potentially taking additional profits as distributions that avoid self-employment tax.
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Mateo Perez
Warning from someone who made an expensive mistake: Be careful about rushing into an LLC with S-Corp election just for tax savings! I did this in 2022 without really understanding all the requirements. Yes, I saved about $8k in self-employment taxes, but then got audited because my "reasonable salary" was too low compared to my distributions. Ended up owing back taxes PLUS penalties. The IRS is watching this area closely. The rule is that your salary must be "reasonable" for your industry and the work you do. You can't just pay yourself $30k and take $200k in distributions if comparable positions would pay $120k. Also, the administrative hassle is real. Quarterly payroll filings, extra tax forms, higher accountant fees, etc. For me it added about $3,200 in extra costs annually.
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Aisha Rahman
•What percentage of your business profit did you pay yourself as salary? I heard somewhere that the IRS expects at least 60% as salary.
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CosmicVoyager
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I've been running a freelance graphic design business as a sole proprietorship for 3 years now and had no idea about these different tax structures. Reading through everyone's experiences, it sounds like the S-Corp election could potentially save me money, but I'm nervous about the "reasonable salary" requirement that @Mateo Perez mentioned. My income fluctuates a lot - some months I make $15K, others I barely break $3K. For those who have made the S-Corp election, how do you handle the salary requirement when your income isn't consistent? Do you have to pay yourself the same amount every month even if the business didn't earn that much? And what happens if you guess wrong on what's "reasonable" - is there a safe harbor rule or something? Also wondering if anyone has experience with creative businesses specifically. I'm not sure what comparable salaries would be for someone doing logo design, web design, and brand identity work.
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Fatima Al-Maktoum
•Great questions! As someone new to understanding business tax structures, I've been following this thread closely and your situation sounds really common for creative professionals. From what I've learned reading everyone's experiences here, the salary requirement for S-Corp election seems to be one of the trickiest parts. You typically need to set a consistent monthly salary that represents reasonable compensation for your role, even during slower months. Some people mentioned setting it conservatively based on your lower-earning periods to ensure you can always cover it. For the "reasonable salary" question in creative fields, you might want to check resources like the Bureau of Labor Statistics or salary surveys for graphic designers in your area. I've seen some mention that looking at what you'd pay someone else to do your exact work is a good benchmark. The fluctuating income issue seems like it could make the S-Corp election more complex for freelancers. Maybe some of the more experienced business owners here like @Nia Davis or @Mateo Perez could share how they handle irregular income patterns? I'd love to learn more about this too since I'm considering starting my own business soon.
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