Do I need to include my foreign spouse's income when filing taxes jointly as a permanent resident?
I'm a permanent resident in the US and I'm trying to figure out the best way to file taxes with my wife who lives overseas. She works for a company based in her home country and has income there, but we're thinking about filing jointly for our US federal taxes this year. The problem is that she doesn't have an SSN or ITIN yet. From what I've researched, I need to submit Form W-7 to request an ITIN for her. I was planning to include her foreign income on our joint return, but I'm confused about how exactly to report it. Does anyone know the proper way to handle this situation? Do I have to convert her income to USD? Are there special forms I need to fill out? And will she owe US taxes on her foreign earnings if we file jointly? I'm trying to figure out if filing jointly is even beneficial in our case. I've been using TurboTax in previous years when I filed as single, but I'm not sure if it can handle this international situation correctly. Any advice from people who've been in similar situations would be greatly appreciated!
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Kingston Bellamy
This is actually a common situation! Since you're a permanent resident, you can definitely file jointly with your foreign spouse, but there are several important things to know. First, yes, you'll need that ITIN for your wife by filing Form W-7 along with your tax return. When filing jointly, you must report your spouse's worldwide income, even though she's living abroad. You'll need to convert her income to USD using the annual average exchange rate for the tax year. For reporting the foreign income, you'll likely need to include Schedule B for any foreign interest/dividends and possibly Form 8938 if she has substantial foreign assets. Since her income is from foreign employment, look into Form 2555 (Foreign Earned Income Exclusion) which could exclude up to $120,000 of her foreign earnings from US taxation. Remember that filing jointly might not always be beneficial - it depends on your specific situation. The Foreign Tax Credit (Form 1116) might also help if she pays taxes in her country of residence to avoid double taxation.
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Joy Olmedo
•Thanks for this detailed response. One question - if we use the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion, does that mean we don't have to pay ANY US taxes on her income? Also, is there a minimum amount of foreign assets before Form 8938 becomes necessary?
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Kingston Bellamy
•The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion can exclude up to $120,000 of foreign earned income from US taxation if she qualifies (either through the physical presence test or bona fide residence test). So if her income is below that threshold, she likely won't owe US tax on that income, though you still must report it. For Form 8938, you only need to file if the total value of foreign financial assets exceeds certain thresholds. For married filing jointly living in the US, you'd need to file if the total value exceeds $100,000 on the last day of the tax year or $150,000 at any time during the year. The thresholds are higher if you're living abroad.
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Isaiah Cross
I was in almost this exact situation last year with my husband working in Singapore while I was in the US with my green card. Dealing with the ITIN and all the forms was a nightmare until I found this AI tool called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai). It analyzed all our foreign income documents and gave us step-by-step instructions for filing. The best part was that it automatically identified which forms we needed (W-7, 8938, 1116, etc.) and explained exactly how to report the foreign income on our US return. It even helped us decide if filing jointly was better than married filing separately in our specific case (it was, saved us about $3,800).
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Kiara Greene
•That sounds interesting. Does it work with all countries or just certain ones? My wife works in Brazil and their tax documents are completely different from US ones.
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Evelyn Kelly
•I'm skeptical about AI tools for something as complex as international taxes. Wouldn't you rather have a human accountant look at this? The penalties for screwing up international tax reporting can be serious.
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Isaiah Cross
•The tool works with documents from any country - it's designed to read and analyze tax documents regardless of format. It has specific modules for major countries, but for others it extracts the relevant information and tells you how to report it on US forms. For Brazil specifically, I know it handles those documents because my colleague used it for his Brazilian wife's income. Regarding having a human accountant, I totally get the concern. What we did was use the AI tool to organize everything, understand our options, and prepare our documents, then had an accountant review everything. The accountant charged us way less because most of the work was already done correctly. It was the best of both worlds - the efficiency of AI with human verification.
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Evelyn Kelly
I was skeptical about using an AI tool for my complicated tax situation with a foreign spouse, but I decided to try taxr.ai after reading about it here. It was actually incredibly helpful! I uploaded my wife's German tax documents and it instantly recognized them, converted everything to USD with the correct exchange rates, and showed me exactly which forms to file. What impressed me most was how it explained the Foreign Tax Credit vs. Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and calculated which one would be better for our specific situation. Ended up saving us over $2,100 compared to what I was planning to do. The explanations were detailed enough that I actually learned how international tax rules work instead of just blindly following instructions.
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Paloma Clark
If you need to call the IRS about your ITIN application (which you probably will), good luck getting through! I spent 4 weeks trying to reach someone about my wife's ITIN application status. Then I found this service called Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) that got me connected to an actual IRS agent in about 15 minutes. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c They basically navigate the IRS phone tree for you and call you when they have an agent on the line. Totally worth it because the agent was able to tell me exactly what was wrong with our application (missing a certified copy of my wife's passport) and what to do to fix it. Saved us months of waiting for a rejection letter.
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Heather Tyson
•How does this even work? I don't understand how a third-party service can get through to the IRS faster than I can myself.
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Raul Neal
•This sounds like a scam. Why would I pay money for something I can do myself for free? The IRS is slow but they'll get to you eventually.
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Paloma Clark
•It works by using their system that constantly redials and navigates the IRS phone tree automatically. When they get through to a human agent, they connect you. I'm not a technical person so I can't explain exactly how the system works, but it definitely worked for me. It's definitely not a scam - I was also hesitant at first. You certainly can try to call yourself for free, but after spending hours upon hours redialing and getting disconnected, I calculated that my time was worth more than the service cost. Remember that ITIN applications can be time-sensitive, especially if you're approaching the tax filing deadline like I was.
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Raul Neal
I need to publicly eat my words about Claimyr being a scam. After struggling for another week trying to reach the IRS about my wife's ITIN application (kept getting disconnected after 2+ hour holds), I broke down and tried the service. Within 22 minutes I was talking to an actual IRS agent who pulled up our case. Turns out our ITIN application had been sitting in limbo because they couldn't verify my wife's foreign address (we had a typo in the postal code). The agent was able to correct it on the spot and told us exactly when to expect the ITIN. Would have taken months to figure this out through mail correspondence. Actually feeling kind of silly for stubbornly wasting so much time before trying this. Just wanted to update in case anyone else is on the fence about it.
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Jenna Sloan
Remember that if your spouse has foreign bank accounts and the total exceeds $10,000 at any point during the year, you'll also need to file an FBAR (FinCEN Form 114). This is separate from your tax return and has really steep penalties if you don't file it. I learned this the hard way!
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Morita Montoya
•Thank you for mentioning this! I had no idea about the FBAR requirement. Do joint accounts count toward this $10,000 threshold? My wife has accounts in her country that I'm not on, plus we have a joint savings account there with about $7,000.
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Jenna Sloan
•Yes, joint accounts absolutely count toward the threshold! You need to report any account you have a financial interest in or signature authority over, even if the money isn't technically all yours. So if you have your name on a joint account with $7,000, and your wife has separate accounts with more than $3,000 total, you'd need to file the FBAR. Also important - this $10,000 threshold isn't about how much money flows through the accounts during the year, but rather the maximum balance at any point. So if an account briefly held $10,001 for just one day before you moved money out, you still need to report all your foreign accounts.
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Christian Burns
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm confused about the ITIN application. Can I just apply for an ITIN for my spouse now, before tax season, or do I have to wait and submit it with my tax return?
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Kingston Bellamy
•Not a dumb question at all! You generally need to submit the ITIN application (Form W-7) together with your tax return, unless you meet one of the exceptions. The most common way is to complete your tax return including your spouse, write "ITIN Applied For" in the space for your spouse's SSN, attach the W-7 form, and submit everything together.
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Christian Burns
•Thank you for clarifying! That makes sense but also means I need to get moving on gathering all the documentation. I was hoping to get the ITIN sorted out early to make tax filing smoother, but I guess I'll have to do everything at once.
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Ayla Kumar
Just wanted to add a few practical tips from someone who went through this exact process last year with my husband working in Canada: 1. **Document organization is key** - Start gathering all your spouse's foreign tax documents, pay stubs, and bank statements now. You'll need certified translations if any documents aren't in English, which can take time. 2. **Consider the timing carefully** - ITIN processing typically takes 7-11 weeks, so if you're filing jointly and need that ITIN, plan to file your return by early February at the latest to avoid extension issues. 3. **Double-check exchange rates** - Use the IRS's published annual average exchange rates for currency conversion, not daily rates. You can find these on the IRS website under "Yearly Average Currency Exchange Rates." 4. **Keep detailed records** - The IRS may ask for additional documentation later, especially for foreign income reporting. I kept copies of everything including bank statements showing the original currency amounts. One thing that surprised me was that even though we qualified for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion, we still had to report the income first, then claim the exclusion. The forms can be confusing but it's totally doable with patience! Good luck with your filing - the first year is always the most complicated but it gets easier once you understand the process.
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Freya Christensen
•This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm just starting this process and feeling overwhelmed by all the different forms and requirements. A couple of follow-up questions: 1. For the certified translations - do these need to be done by a specific type of translator, or can any certified translator handle tax documents? 2. You mentioned filing by early February to avoid extension issues - what happens if the ITIN processing takes longer than expected? Do we automatically get an extension or do we need to file for one separately? 3. Regarding the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion, do both spouses need to meet the physical presence or bona fide residence test, or just the foreign spouse? Your point about keeping detailed records is really smart - I'm going to start a dedicated folder for all of this documentation right away. Thanks again for sharing your experience!
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