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Zara Malik

Do I need to file if my gross receipts are over filing threshold but net profit under $400?

Hey all, I'm really confused about my situation this year and could use some guidance. I got a 1099-K from PayPal for my freelance design work last year. The gross receipts on it were over $20,000 (so above the filing threshold), but after all my legitimate business expenses on Schedule C, my actual net profit came out to only about $350 (basically broke even on this side gig). I don't meet any of the other filing requirements listed in the Form 1040 and 1040-SR instructions from what I can tell. So do I actually have to file a tax return? I'm not trying to dodge anything, just confused because the IRS website says something about the $400 self-employment threshold, but then there's this 1099-K with a bigger number on it. Just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing here and not setting myself up for problems later. Thanks for any help!

Luca Marino

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The answer is a bit nuanced but I can help clarify. When you receive a 1099-K, the IRS is aware of that income, so you should file a return even if your net profit is under $400. While it's true that you generally only need to file Schedule SE (Self-Employment Tax) when your net earnings from self-employment exceed $400, you still need to report the income on Schedule C to show how your gross receipts were offset by business expenses. This is especially important since PayPal has already reported that income to the IRS. If you don't file, you might receive a notice from the IRS questioning the unreported income they know about from the 1099-K. It's much easier to file now showing your minimal profit than to explain it later after receiving a notice.

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Nia Davis

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But what if my only income for the year was from this side gig? If I'm under the standard deduction and the SE tax threshold, do I really NEED to file? Or are you just saying it's a good idea to avoid getting a letter?

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Luca Marino

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If the PayPal 1099-K income was your only income for the entire year and you're under both the standard deduction and the $400 SE threshold, you're technically not required to file a federal return according to IRS rules. However, I still strongly recommend filing anyway because the IRS has already received information about that gross income from PayPal. When their automated system sees a 1099-K without a corresponding tax return, it often triggers notices or inquiries. Filing a return that shows how your expenses reduced that gross amount to under $400 creates a clear record and prevents potential headaches later.

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Mateo Perez

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Aisha Rahman

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Does taxr.ai actually look at your specific documents or is it just general advice? I've tried other tax help sites that just give generic info I could find anywhere.

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Mateo Perez

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Aisha Rahman

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Update: I tried taxr.ai after seeing the recommendation here and it was exactly what I needed! I was in the same boat with a PayPal 1099-K showing $22,000 but my actual profit after expenses was only $375. The system analyzed my documents and confirmed I technically wasn't required to file based on the profit threshold, but strongly recommended filing anyway to prevent automatic flags in the IRS system. It pointed out specific expenses I hadn't even thought to include and explained exactly how to document everything on Schedule C. The best part was how it explained WHY I should file rather than just telling me to do it. Totally worth it for the peace of mind alone. I filed exactly as recommended and haven't had any issues!

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Ethan Brown

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Yuki Yamamoto

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Wait, how does this actually work? How can they get you to the front of the line when everyone else has to wait?

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Carmen Ortiz

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Sounds kinda scammy to me. The IRS doesn't let people cut in line. And even if you do talk to someone, they often give different answers depending on who you talk to.

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Ethan Brown

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Carmen Ortiz

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I have to admit I was totally wrong about Claimyr. After posting my skeptical comment above, I decided to try it myself since I was also dealing with a 1099-K issue and needed answers. I'd already spent over 4 hours on different days trying to reach the IRS with no luck. Using Claimyr, I got connected to an IRS agent in about 15 minutes. They confirmed exactly what others have said here - with a 1099-K showing gross receipts over the threshold but net profit under $400, filing a return with Schedule C is recommended even though technically not required. The agent explained that their automated matching system would likely flag the unreported 1099-K income otherwise. Having that official confirmation directly from the IRS was actually a huge relief. Completely worth it and I was wrong to be skeptical.

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Don't forget to check your state filing requirements too! They're often different from federal. In my state, you have to file a state return if you received a 1099 form regardless of the amount or if you filed a federal return. I learned this the hard way after skipping a state filing one year when my profit was only like $200. Ended up getting a notice and having to file late. Check your specific state tax department website to be sure!

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Zara Malik

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Oh that's a really good point I hadn't even considered! Do most states have different thresholds than federal? I'm in Arizona if that helps.

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Arizona generally follows the federal filing requirements, so if you're required to file a federal return, you'll need to file a state return too. But since this is a borderline case federally, I'd recommend checking Arizona's Department of Revenue website or giving them a call to confirm. Many states have their own specific rules about when you need to file. Some require filing if you earn any income at all in the state, while others have minimum thresholds similar to federal. It varies quite a bit, which is why checking your specific state is important.

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Zoe Papadakis

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Has anyone used FreeTaxUSA for this kind of situation? I'm in the same boat (1099-K with about $15k but actual profit only $280) and wondering if it handles this well. TurboTax keeps trying to charge me extra for the Schedule C even though I barely made anything.

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Jamal Carter

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I used FreeTaxUSA last year for exactly this situation! It was great - lets you file Schedule C without charging extra for "business income" like some other services. Super straightforward for entering all your expenses too. I ended up paying $0 in federal taxes since my profit was under $400, and just paid like $15 for the state filing.

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This is such a common confusion point! I went through the exact same thing last year with a similar situation - 1099-K showing around $19k but net profit of only $320 after legitimate business expenses. Here's what I learned after researching extensively and talking to a tax professional: Even though you're under the $400 self-employment tax threshold, you should still file a return with Schedule C to report the income and expenses. The key reason is that the IRS already knows about that gross income from PayPal's 1099-K reporting. If you don't file, their automated matching system will likely flag the "missing" income and you could get a CP2000 notice asking you to explain the discrepancy. It's much easier to file now showing how your expenses reduced that gross amount to under $400 than to deal with notices later. You won't owe any self-employment tax since you're under $400 net profit, and if this was your only income and you're under the standard deduction, you probably won't owe any income tax either. But filing creates a clear paper trail that prevents future headaches with the IRS matching system.

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Isabel Vega

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This is exactly the kind of clear explanation I was looking for! Thank you for breaking down the CP2000 notice aspect - I hadn't realized that's what could happen if the IRS systems don't see a matching return for the 1099-K income. That automated matching system piece really helps explain why everyone is recommending to file even when technically not required. Better to be proactive than reactive with the IRS for sure.

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