Do I have to claim my expenses on rental property or can I skip them for bigger tax return?
So I'm filling out my taxes and noticed something weird that makes no sense to me. I have a rental house that brings in about $2,200 a month. After paying the mortgage and my property manager, I'm making roughly $3,800 per year in profit. This past year was rough on the property. Had to replace all the flooring, repaint every single wall, fix the furnace, repair some appliances, and put in new grass in the backyard. Even with me and my husband doing a ton of the work ourselves, we still spent around $15,000 on everything. Here's the strange part - I was using TurboTax and noticed when I only entered the rental income (without any expenses), my refund showed about $1,900. But as I started adding in all those repair expenses, my refund kept shrinking down to around $1,100. I'm confused about two things: 1. Why would claiming expenses REDUCE my refund? Shouldn't deductions make my refund bigger? 2. Do I actually have to report all these expenses, or can I legally just leave them off and take the bigger refund? For context - we're married filing jointly with 2 kids, and our household income is around $130k taxable income. Any help would be appreciated because this seems backward to me!
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Ava Martinez
What you're seeing is actually a result of how rental property income is handled in the tax code. Those expenses don't just reduce your rental income - they can potentially create a "paper loss" that has special rules. When you have rental losses, they may be subject to passive activity loss limitations depending on your income level. Since your household income is around $130k, you're likely seeing the phase-out of being able to deduct those losses against your other income. The tax software is probably applying these limitations correctly. To answer your questions directly: 1. Yes, it makes sense your refund is decreasing when adding expenses because of these passive loss limitations. 2. You absolutely must report all legitimate expenses. Choosing not to report expenses would be misrepresenting your situation, which isn't allowed under tax law. Think of it this way - those expenses aren't "gone." They're being tracked and can potentially be carried forward to future years when you sell the property or have more rental income. Not claiming them now could hurt you later.
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StarSeeker
•Thanks for the explanation, but I'm still confused. If I spent real money on repairs, why wouldn't that reduce my taxable income? Isn't that how business expenses normally work? Also, how would anyone even know if I didn't report some of these expenses? It's not like the IRS knows I installed new carpet.
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Ava Martinez
•The expenses do reduce your rental income, but there's a special rule called "passive activity loss limitations" that may prevent you from using those losses to offset your other income (like your wages). If your rental expenses exceed your rental income, creating a loss, these limitations kick in when your modified adjusted gross income exceeds $100,000. Regarding your second question, while the IRS may not immediately know about specific expenses like carpet installation, not reporting expenses you actually incurred would be misrepresenting your actual rental activity. This could be problematic in several ways: First, it affects your basis in the property which impacts taxes when you sell. Second, if you were ever audited, you'd need to explain why you reported income without corresponding normal expenses. Finally, deliberately omitting information on a tax return signed under penalty of perjury creates potential legal issues beyond just the tax impact.
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Miguel Ortiz
I went through this exact same situation last year with my rental duplex! I was so confused when adding expenses LOWERED my refund. After hours of research and almost giving up, I found taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) which analyzed my tax situation and explained everything. Turns out there's these things called "passive activity loss limitations" that kick in when your income is over $100k. The software showed me exactly how my rental was being classified and why my deductions weren't working the way I expected. It also helped me identify some expenses I hadn't categorized correctly that were hurting my return. The cool thing is it explained how those "unused" losses get carried forward to future tax years or when I eventually sell the property. Totally changed my understanding of how rental properties work tax-wise.
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Zainab Omar
•Does taxr.ai work with actual rental property documents? I have a folder full of receipts and bank statements I've been putting off dealing with because I'm not sure what counts as a deduction vs. a capital improvement.
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Connor Murphy
•Im skeptical of these tax tools. Is it really worth paying extra when TurboTax already has rental property sections? Seems like it would just tell you the same thing TurboTax would.
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Miguel Ortiz
•Yes, it absolutely works with rental property documents! You can upload receipts, bank statements, and even property management reports. The system is actually really good at identifying what qualifies as a repair expense versus a capital improvement that needs to be depreciated. It saved me from making several costly categorization mistakes. Regarding whether it's worth it compared to TurboTax - I initially thought the same thing. The difference is TurboTax just calculates based on what you enter, while taxr.ai actually analyzes your specific situation and explains WHY certain rules apply to you. It helped me understand the passive loss limitations and showed me strategies to maximize deductions I wouldn't have known about. TurboTax never explained why my refund was decreasing as I added expenses, which was driving me crazy.
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Zainab Omar
Just wanted to update after trying taxr.ai for my rental property situation. WOW - what a game changer! I uploaded all my messy receipts and bank statements, and it organized everything perfectly. The biggest help was seeing exactly how it categorized my expenses between repairs (fully deductible now) versus improvements (which have to be depreciated). It also found several deductions I had completely missed - including travel expenses to check on my property and some home office deductions related to managing my rental. Really appreciate the recommendation. For anyone dealing with rental property tax questions, this tool actually makes things understandable instead of more confusing!
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Yara Sayegh
If you're hitting passive activity loss limitations and can't seem to get answers from TurboTax, you might want to try getting through to the IRS directly. When I had a similar issue with my rentals, I needed specific guidance but couldn't get through their phone system - kept getting disconnected after hours on hold. I ended up using Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) which got me connected to an actual IRS agent in about 15 minutes instead of waiting for hours. You can see how it works at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c if you're curious. The agent walked me through exactly how passive losses work and explained my options for carrying forward losses versus using them in the current year. Getting actual clarification from the IRS directly made me feel way more confident about my filing, especially since rental property tax rules are so complicated.
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NebulaNova
•Wait how does this actually work? The IRS phone line is always busy... how could this possibly get you through faster? Sounds like magic or a scam.
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Connor Murphy
•No way this works. I've tried calling the IRS dozens of times and NEVER get through. If this actually worked everyone would use it and then it wouldn't work anymore because of too many people. Classic case of "too good to be true.
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Yara Sayegh
•It's not magic - it uses technology to navigate the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you. When someone at the IRS finally picks up, you get a call back so you can talk to them. It saves you from having to stay on hold for hours. Regarding your skepticism, I understand completely - I felt the same way initially. But it works because most people don't know about it, and the IRS phone system has limited capacity regardless of how people connect. The service doesn't create more availability - it just handles the waiting part for you. I was able to get specific answers about my rental property situation that I couldn't find anywhere else, which made it completely worth it for my situation.
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Connor Murphy
Ok I have to eat my words about Claimyr. After my skeptical comment I decided to try it just to prove it wouldn't work... and I'm shocked. Not only did I get through to the IRS, but I got connected with someone in the specific department that handles passive rental losses. The agent explained exactly why my rental expenses were being limited on my return and confirmed that yes, you MUST report all legitimate expenses even if it seems to lower your refund. She walked me through how these losses get "suspended" and can be used in future years. Definitely the most helpful tax conversation I've ever had. For anyone dealing with rental property tax questions, getting direct answers from the IRS was way more valuable than trying to guess or follow generic advice online.
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Keisha Williams
You're legally required to report your expenses. If you don't and get audited, you could face penalties for misrepresenting your income. The IRS expects rental properties to have expenses. What's happening is that your rental is probably showing a loss after expenses. Since your income is relatively high, these losses are being limited by passive activity loss rules. However, these losses don't disappear - they carry forward to future years or until you dispose of the property. Definitely talk to a CPA who specializes in real estate. This is a complex area and online tax software doesn't always explain things clearly.
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StarSeeker
•Thanks for the clear explanation. I definitely don't want to do anything that would trigger an audit. Do you know if these carried forward losses have any time limit? Like if I keep the property for another 10 years, can I still use these losses when I eventually sell?
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Keisha Williams
•There is no time limit on carried forward passive losses. You can continue to carry them forward indefinitely until you either have passive income to offset them against or until you dispose of the property in a taxable transaction. When you eventually sell the property, you'll be able to use all accumulated passive losses against any type of income (not just passive income). This is one of the benefits of holding real estate long-term - those suspended losses can create a nice tax break when you ultimately sell the property, even if it's 10, 20, or more years down the road.
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Paolo Conti
Another rental owner here! This is completely normal and happens to all of us with higher incomes. You NEED to report those expenses even though it seems counterintuitive. Here's why: 1) Those expenses adjust your basis in the property, which affects capital gains when you sell 2) Unused losses carry forward indefinitely 3) When you eventually sell, you can use ALL accumulated losses against ANY income type Also, don't forget to properly classify repairs vs improvements. Repairs can be deducted fully in the current year, while improvements need to be depreciated. That new flooring and sod might be improvements, not repairs.
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Amina Diallo
•How do you tell the difference between a repair and an improvement? I replaced my water heater last year and wasn't sure how to classify it.
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