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Completed W-4 and I-9 forms but employer says I'm an Independent contractor - is this legal?

I recently started what I thought was a regular full-time position with a company after graduating. During onboarding, they had me complete W-4 and I-9 forms which seemed normal for a new employee. Being fresh out of school, I didn't really question anything about the tax paperwork. When I got my first paycheck, it seemed a bit lower than I expected, but I just figured taxes were being taken out. But then my second paycheck came, and I realized they weren't withholding ANY taxes! The online payroll system had some weird option saying I could either request to have 24% withheld or just pay taxes on my own later. I was super confused. I asked my manager about it, and they casually mentioned I'd be working as an "independent contractor" for a while before becoming a "real" employee with benefits. This caught me completely off guard since we never discussed this arrangement during my interviews, and I definitely never filled out a W-9 form (which I now know is what independent contractors use). It's been almost 4 months of this situation, and I'm starting to wonder if what they're doing is even legal? To make matters worse, my paychecks are frequently late, and I've worked overtime several times without receiving any extra compensation. The whole situation feels sketchy and I'm not sure what to do.

This is unfortunately a common issue, especially with companies trying to avoid paying employment taxes and providing benefits. What your employer is doing sounds like employee misclassification, which is generally not legal. The fact that you filled out W-4 and I-9 forms is telling - those are specifically for employees, not independent contractors. Independent contractors typically complete a W-9 form. The IRS has specific criteria for determining whether someone is an employee or contractor, including how much control the company has over your work, whether they provide tools/equipment, and how you're paid. Based on what you've described - being hired for a "full-time position," having set hours, and the expectation of eventual benefits - you likely should be classified as an employee, not a contractor. This misclassification means you're responsible for paying both the employee and employer portions of Social Security and Medicare taxes (self-employment tax), which is about 15.3%. You have options here. You could file Form SS-8 with the IRS to request a determination of your worker status, and/or file Form 8919 to report uncollected Social Security and Medicare taxes. You might also want to contact your state's labor department since there could be state-level violations too.

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If they file the SS-8 form, won't that basically guarantee they get fired? I had a similar situation last year and was afraid to rock the boat because I needed the income. Is there anything they can do while still keeping their job?

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Thank you for this detailed information. I had no idea about Form SS-8 or Form 8919. If I file these forms, will the IRS contact my employer directly? I'm worried about potential retaliation since I still need this job while I look for something else. Also, what would happen with the taxes I owe for these past months? Would I still need to pay the full self-employment taxes even if the IRS determines I was misclassified?

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Filing an SS-8 does create risk of retaliation, even though retaliation is technically illegal. Many people choose to wait until they have another job lined up before filing. Some workers have success directly discussing the classification issue with their employer first, pointing out the legal requirements in a non-confrontational way. If the IRS determines you were misclassified, they would typically require the employer to pay their share of the employment taxes. You would still be responsible for the employee portion, but not the employer portion. The IRS may also assess penalties against the employer. For the months you were misclassified, you should still file quarterly estimated taxes to avoid underpayment penalties yourself.

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Sounds interesting but did they actually help you resolve it with your employer or just tell you what forms to file? I need someone who can help me actually fix the situation, not just explain it.

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Another red flag is that they're not paying you overtime! Independent contractors set their own hours and rates, so "overtime" isn't even a concept that should apply to a true contractor relationship. The fact that you're expected to work overtime but not getting paid extra for it strongly suggests you're being treated as an employee (but without the benefits). Document EVERYTHING - hours worked, communications about your status, the W-4 and I-9 forms you completed, etc. Take screenshots of that payroll system showing the withholding options. This will all be important evidence if you need to file complaints.

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Thanks for pointing that out about overtime. I've been keeping track of my hours in a separate spreadsheet since their system is unreliable, but I'll start saving more evidence. Would emails about my status be sufficient documentation, or should I ask for something more formal in writing?

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Emails are excellent documentation - they have timestamps and show exactly what was communicated. Save them as PDFs or forward them to a personal email for safekeeping. If you have conversations in person or by phone about your employment status, follow up with an email summarizing what was discussed ("As we discussed today regarding my employment status..."). The more formal documentation you can get, the better. If they have an employee handbook or written policies, save copies. If there's a contract or offer letter that mentions full-time employment, that's golden. Screenshots of the payroll system showing both the lack of withholding and that overtime option are also very valuable as evidence.

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The late paychecks are yet another violation! Even for independent contractors, they need to pay you according to your contract. If you're actually an employee (which it sounds like you are), most states have strict laws about when employees must be paid. You might want to check your state's department of labor website for information about filing a wage claim. That's often faster than waiting for the IRS to make a determination on your employment status.

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Definitely this. I had a similar situation and filed a wage claim with my state. They investigated and not only got me my late wages but also determined I was misclassified. The company had to pay penalties and back taxes. The state labor department can sometimes move faster than the IRS on these issues.

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This situation is incredibly frustrating and unfortunately all too common. Based on everything you've described, this sounds like clear employee misclassification. The combination of filling out W-4 and I-9 forms (employee paperwork), being promised eventual "real" employee status with benefits, working set hours with overtime expectations, and having late paychecks are all major red flags. Here's what I'd recommend doing immediately: 1. **Document everything** - Save all emails, take screenshots of your payroll system, keep records of hours worked and late payments. This will be crucial evidence. 2. **Calculate what you're owed** - As a misclassified employee, you're currently paying both employee AND employer portions of Social Security/Medicare taxes (15.3% instead of 7.65%). Your employer should be covering their half. 3. **File quarterly estimated taxes** - To avoid penalties, make sure you're making quarterly payments on the income you're receiving now, even while you work to resolve the classification issue. 4. **Consider your timing** - Many people wait until they have another job lined up before filing formal complaints, since retaliation (while illegal) does happen. You have multiple avenues for resolution: Form SS-8 with the IRS for status determination, Form 8919 for uncollected employment taxes, state labor department for wage violations, and potentially your state's unemployment office since misclassified workers are often denied benefits they should receive. Don't let them take advantage of your recent graduate status - you have rights here and this practice costs you real money.

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