Co-owner of C Corp with questions about taking draw vs. dividend distribution
I've been drowning in articles for the last couple days but still can't find a clear answer on this, so I hope someone here can help me out. I'm one of the co-owners of a C Corporation. We recently secured some investor funding and are planning to distribute some of that capital to ourselves as owners to cover living expenses while we get the business off the ground. What I'm confused about is the tax implications here. Some people are telling me that as C Corp owners, the IRS requires us to take a reasonable salary through payroll in addition to any owner draws. Others are saying we can just distribute everything as dividends. We don't currently have a payroll system set up, so I'm assuming that means we'd be taking dividend payments, which the corporation can't deduct as an expense (unlike salary that goes through payroll). Is my understanding correct? Bottom line, I'm looking to take about $45k as an owner's draw. Should I be treating this as personal income and planning to set aside money for federal, FICA, and state taxes? And since I'm an owner in a C Corp, I wouldn't have to pay self-employment tax on this, right? Thanks in advance for any insights you can provide! UPDATE: Thanks for all the helpful comments. I think I get it now. Since we'd be distributing investment capital, it looks like we can't technically take a draw or qualified dividend. Our CEO talked to his CPA who suggested issuing 1099s, but I pushed back on that approach. Instead, I'm advocating we set up proper payroll before taking any distributions so we can avoid the additional self-employment tax burden.
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Keith Davidson
This is a common area of confusion for C Corp owners. Let me clarify a few things: First, a C Corporation is a separate legal entity from its owners. When you take money out of a C Corp, it generally falls into one of these categories: salary, dividends, or loans. The IRS expects officer-shareholders who perform services for the corporation to receive a "reasonable compensation" before taking dividends. This is because salary is subject to payroll taxes (Social Security and Medicare), while dividends are not. If you only take dividends without a reasonable salary, the IRS may reclassify those dividends as salary and assess back taxes and penalties. What you're describing sounds like you want to distribute investment capital. Be careful here - distributing investment funds that were put into the company as owner draws or dividends could potentially be problematic both legally and tax-wise. That money was invested in the corporation, not in you personally. The most tax-efficient and legally sound approach is to set up a payroll service and pay yourself a reasonable salary. Yes, this means the corporation pays half of the FICA taxes, but the corporation can deduct both your salary and its share of payroll taxes as business expenses.
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Ezra Bates
•Thanks for the explanation. So if we take the investment money as a distribution without setting up payroll, could we get in trouble with the IRS? Also, what exactly counts as "reasonable compensation"? Our business is pre-revenue right now.
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Keith Davidson
•Yes, taking investment capital as a distribution without proper payroll setup could potentially create issues with both the IRS and your investors. The IRS is particularly sensitive about C Corp owners taking money as dividends instead of salary to avoid payroll taxes. They want to see officer-shareholders receiving reasonable compensation first. "Reasonable compensation" depends on several factors including your industry, geographic location, experience level, job duties, time commitment, and what comparable positions would pay in the market. For pre-revenue startups, it's common to take below-market salaries, but you should still document why your chosen salary amount is reasonable given your current circumstances. Many founders take modest salaries during the early stages, which is perfectly acceptable as long as you can justify the amount.
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Marcus Williams
I'm a co-owner in a C Corp too and we went through this exact situation last year. Our attorney advised us that distributing investment capital as owner draws or dividends is a big no-no. That money was invested in the CORPORATION, not in you personally. Taking it out improperly could potentially be seen as misuse of funds. We ended up setting up a payroll service (we use Gusto and it's super easy) and paying ourselves modest salaries until we became profitable. This way everything is above board with both the IRS and our investors. Plus the corp can deduct the salary expenses. One thing nobody mentioned yet - if you're distributing investment funds to "support yourselves," your investors might have an issue with this if it wasn't explicitly part of the investment agreement. Double check your investor paperwork!
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Lily Young
•How much did it cost you to set up the payroll service? I'm in a similar situation but trying to keep costs down in our early stage.
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Marcus Williams
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Kennedy Morrison
Be careful with the terminology here. In a C Corp, technically you don't take "draws" like you would in an LLC or partnership. You take either salary (through payroll) or dividends (distributions of profit). The IRS is very particular about C Corp owners taking reasonable compensation through payroll before taking dividends. This is because they want to collect those FICA taxes. If you try to bypass this by taking only dividends, they can reclassify those payments and hit you with penalties. Also, distributing invested capital back to shareholders is a whole different issue - that's actually a return of capital and has different tax implications than either salary or dividends. You should definitely talk to a CPA about this specific situation.
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Taylor Chen
•Thanks for pointing this out. I think I've been using the wrong terminology which probably contributed to my confusion. So if we're using investment money to pay ourselves, that's not technically a "draw" or even a dividend, right?
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Kennedy Morrison
•That's exactly right. In a C Corp, there's no such thing as an "owner's draw" like there would be in an LLC or partnership. When you take money out of a C Corp, it has to be classified as either salary, dividends, a loan to shareholder, or return of capital. If you're using investment money to pay yourselves, the proper way to do this is typically through salary via payroll. This is especially true if you're actively working in the business. The corporation can deduct this as a business expense, and you'll pay income and payroll taxes on it. Taking investment money and distributing it directly as dividends or return of capital could potentially create issues with both the IRS and your investors, as that money was invested for business operations, not personal distributions. This is why setting up proper payroll is really the safest approach.
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Jean Claude
This is a great discussion and really highlights the complexity of C Corp compensation rules. I'm glad you updated your post to mention setting up proper payroll - that's absolutely the right approach. One additional point I'd add is that the IRS has specific guidelines for what constitutes "reasonable compensation" that go beyond just market rates. They look at factors like the company's financial condition, your role and responsibilities, time devoted to the business, and the company's dividend history. For pre-revenue startups, this often means you can justify below-market salaries, but you still need to document your reasoning. Also, regarding the investment capital distribution issue - it's worth noting that many investment agreements actually include provisions about founder compensation. Some investors expect founders to take reasonable salaries as part of the investment structure, while others prefer founders to have more "skin in the game" with lower compensation. Always check your investment docs before making these decisions. The key takeaway is that the IRS wants to see active shareholders receiving W-2 wages before taking any distributions. Even if it means higher payroll costs in the short term, it protects you from much bigger problems down the road.
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Liam Murphy
•This is really helpful information, especially about the IRS guidelines for reasonable compensation. I'm curious about the documentation aspect you mentioned - what kind of records should we be keeping to justify our salary decisions? Is it enough to just document comparable salaries in our industry, or do we need more formal documentation like board resolutions or compensation studies? Also, for a pre-revenue startup, how do we balance the need for reasonable compensation with conserving cash flow? Any specific percentage of funding or revenue benchmarks that are commonly used?
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