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Heather Tyson

Can you convert a $0 balance Traditional IRA to Roth IRA without tax impact?

So I'm trying to clean up some old retirement accounts and I have this traditional IRA that's basically empty (zero balance). I'm wondering if I can just convert this account to a Roth IRA and if that's even considered a reportable event for tax purposes? Like, since there's no money in it, do I need to report anything to the IRS until I actually make contributions to the newly converted Roth? I'm pretty sure there's no tax implications since I'm converting $0, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something obvious that could come back to bite me later. Anyone know how this works?

Raul Neal

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Converting a Traditional IRA with a $0 balance to a Roth IRA is technically still a conversion that should be reported on your tax return, but it won't have any tax impact since there's no money being converted. You'll receive Form 1099-R from your IRA custodian showing a $0 distribution amount, and you'll need to report this on your tax return using Form 8606. While it might seem pointless to report a $0 conversion, it's still considered a reportable transaction because you're changing the tax treatment of the account from tax-deferred to tax-free growth. The good news is that since you're converting $0, there will be no taxes due on the conversion itself. When you do make contributions to the newly converted Roth IRA, those will be reported separately as Roth contributions on your tax return.

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Jenna Sloan

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But what if my bank doesn't send a 1099-R because the balance is literally zero? Do I still need to file the 8606? And once I convert it, do the contribution limits for Roth IRAs apply immediately, or is there some kind of waiting period?

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Raul Neal

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Your bank should still issue a 1099-R even for a $0 balance conversion, but if they don't, you should still complete Form 8606 to document the conversion. The IRS wants a paper trail of all IRA conversions regardless of the amount. Once the account is converted to a Roth IRA, the standard Roth contribution limits apply immediately - there's no waiting period. For 2025, you can contribute up to $7,000 if you're under 50, or $8,000 if you're 50 or older, assuming your income falls within the Roth IRA eligibility limits.

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Just wanted to share my experience with this exact situation! I had a traditional IRA with literally $5 in it (from an old 401k rollover where most went elsewhere), and I was so confused about how to handle it. I used https://taxr.ai to analyze the 1099-R form I got and it confirmed that I needed to report the conversion on my taxes even though the tax impact was basically nothing. The tool walked me through exactly which forms I needed and where to report it. Saved me from making a mistake that could have potentially flagged my return. What was really helpful was their explanation of Form 8606 and how to properly document a conversion with minimal value. They also explained how this affects future contributions to my Roth.

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Sasha Reese

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How does taxr.ai work with weird edge cases like this? My situation is even stranger - I have a traditional IRA with a negative balance due to fees (like -$2.36). Would the tool help with something unusual like that?

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Did you have to pay for this service? Seems like overkill for just figuring out a $5 conversion... couldn't you just Google this info?

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The tool is specifically designed to handle edge cases like negative balances due to fees! It recognized my tiny conversion amount immediately and provided the right guidance. The system analyzes your specific documents and situations, not just generic advice. I completely understand your concern about cost vs. benefit for small transactions. What I found valuable wasn't just the immediate answer but understanding the proper reporting requirements for all my retirement accounts. It helped me avoid a pattern of small mistakes that could add up to audit flags over time.

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Ok so I tried taxr.ai after posting my skeptical comment yesterday, and I need to eat my words. I uploaded my 1099-R showing my $0 balance conversion and the breakdown it gave me was incredibly detailed. It showed exactly where this should be reported on my tax forms and explained that even zero-dollar conversions need to be documented to maintain clean IRA records with the IRS. The analysis also pointed out that proper reporting now helps establish a paper trail for the "seasoning" of my Roth IRA, which could be important if I want to access contributions later. Definitely more comprehensive than the generic Google advice I was finding. They also explained how this fits with the 5-year rule for Roth IRA distributions which I had no idea applied to conversions differently than contributions.

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Noland Curtis

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If you're trying to get clarity directly from the IRS on this zero-dollar conversion question, good luck reaching them! I spent 3 hours on hold trying to get someone to confirm the reporting requirements and finally gave up. Then a colleague told me about https://claimyr.com which got me connected to an actual IRS agent in about 15 minutes. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The agent confirmed that yes, you do need to report the conversion on Form 8606 even if the amount is $0, and that failing to do so could potentially cause issues if you're ever audited. They also explained that the custodian should still issue a 1099-R with a $0 amount, and if they don't, you should contact them to request one.

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Diez Ellis

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Wait, how does this actually work? How can some random service get you through to the IRS when their phone lines are always jammed?

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This sounds like complete BS. Nobody can magically get you through to the IRS faster. They have one phone system and everyone waits in the same queue. I'll believe it when I see proof this actually works.

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Noland Curtis

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The service uses automated technology to navigate the IRS phone system and wait on hold for you. Once they reach a representative, they call you and connect you directly to the agent. It's not about cutting the line - they're just doing the waiting for you. I understand your skepticism completely. I felt the same way until I tried it. The technology works by continuously redialing and navigating the phone tree until it gets through. Then when an agent answers, it conferences you in. So you're still going through the regular IRS channels, but you don't have to sit through the hold music for hours.

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I need to publicly apologize for my skeptical comment about Claimyr. After posting that, I decided to test it myself because I needed to ask the IRS about this exact IRA conversion situation and some other tax questions. I was genuinely shocked when they called me back in about 20 minutes with an actual IRS representative on the line. The agent confirmed that even a $0 balance conversion is a reportable event and helped clarify exactly how to document it on my tax forms. They also answered my questions about contribution limits after conversion. What would have been a 2+ hour hold (based on my past experiences) turned into a 20-minute wait. For someone who values their time, this was absolutely worth it. Never been so happy to be wrong about something!

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Abby Marshall

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that converting your $0 traditional IRA to a Roth can actually be strategically smart if you're planning to do a backdoor Roth IRA contribution in the future! Having an existing traditional IRA with any balance (even $0) already set up can streamline that process. When I did my backdoor Roth last year, I wished I had already converted or closed my old empty traditional IRAs because having multiple accounts complicates the pro-rata rule calculations. Just something to consider if you're thinking about using the backdoor Roth strategy at some point.

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Heather Tyson

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That's really helpful - I am actually considering doing backdoor Roth contributions next year! Can you explain more about how having this $0 traditional IRA already converted to Roth would help with that process? I thought for backdoor Roth you needed to have a traditional IRA to contribute to first?

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Abby Marshall

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You're absolutely right that for a backdoor Roth contribution, you do need a traditional IRA to contribute to first. What I meant was that by converting or closing your existing $0 traditional IRA, you're "cleaning house" so that when you do open a new traditional IRA for backdoor purposes, you won't have multiple traditional IRAs to track. The benefit comes from simplifying your IRA landscape. For backdoor Roth contributions, having no other traditional IRA balances (including SEP or SIMPLE IRAs) makes the process much cleaner for tax purposes and helps you avoid the pro-rata rule complications. So by converting this empty account to a Roth now, you're essentially removing one traditional IRA from your portfolio before you strategically open a new one for backdoor purposes.

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Sadie Benitez

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Anyone know if a $0 conversion affects the 5-year rule for Roth IRA withdrawals? Like if I convert my empty Traditional IRA to Roth now, then make actual contributions in a few months, does the 5-year clock start now or when I make my first contribution?

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Raul Neal

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There are actually two different 5-year rules for Roth IRAs, and they work differently: 1. For qualified earnings withdrawals: This 5-year clock starts with your first contribution to ANY Roth IRA you own. So if this is your first-ever Roth IRA, the clock would start when you make your first actual contribution, not at the $0 conversion. 2. For converted amounts: Each conversion has its own 5-year clock for penalty-free withdrawal. But since you're converting $0, there's nothing to withdraw, so this particular rule doesn't really matter for your empty conversion. The key thing is that if you've ever contributed to a Roth IRA before, your 5-year clock for earnings has already started and carries over to any new Roth IRA accounts.

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Sadie Benitez

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Thanks for explaining that! So since I've never had a Roth before, my clock won't start until I actually put money in, even though the conversion happened earlier. That makes sense. And I guess the conversion-specific clock doesn't matter since I'm not converting any actual dollars right now.

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Savannah Vin

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Just to add another perspective here - I went through this exact situation last year and wanted to share what I learned. Even though you're converting $0, make sure to keep really good records of the conversion date and any paperwork from your custodian. The IRS likes to see a clear paper trail, especially for retirement account transactions. I'd recommend taking screenshots of your account before and after the conversion showing the $0 balance, and saving any confirmation emails or letters from your bank/brokerage. This documentation becomes super helpful if you ever need to prove the conversion happened and when it occurred. Also, double-check with your custodian about any fees for the conversion process itself. Some institutions charge administrative fees even for $0 balance conversions, which could actually result in a negative balance that you'd need to cover. Better to know upfront than get surprised later!

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