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Kylo Ren

Can someone explain how the underpayment penalty waiver works? Really confused!

So I'm stressing out because for the first time ever my tax withholdings for 2024 ended up being way less than what I needed to avoid penalties. I'm self-employed now (started a consulting business last summer) and totally messed up my estimated payments. I've heard there might be some kind of waiver for the underpayment penalty, but I have no idea how it works or if I would qualify. My income jumped from around $65,000 last year to about $98,000 this year because of some big contracts, and I only paid about $12,000 in combined withholdings and quarterly payments. When I started running my numbers through tax software, it's showing I might owe a penalty of around $420. Is there any way to get this waived? Does the IRS consider it a valid excuse that I'm new to self-employment and didn't understand the system properly? I'm preparing to file in the next couple weeks and would appreciate any insight from people who've dealt with this before!

There are actually several ways you might qualify for an underpayment penalty waiver! The most common is Form 2210, which lets you request a waiver for reasonable cause. Since you mentioned you're new to self-employment, that could potentially qualify. The IRS also offers automatic waivers in certain situations: 1. If you paid at least 90% of the tax for the current year, or 100% of the tax shown on your return for the prior year (110% if your AGI was over $150,000) 2. If you owe less than $1,000 in tax after subtracting withholdings and credits 3. If you had no tax liability last year and were a U.S. citizen for the whole year 4. If the underpayment was due to a casualty, disaster, or other unusual circumstance You'll want to complete Form 2210 and attach a statement explaining your situation. Being new to self-employment and the substantial income change might help your case. The increase from $65K to $98K is significant, and the IRS sometimes considers that when reviewing penalty waivers.

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Jason Brewer

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So does this mean I have to fill out an extra form when I file? Also, when you say "reasonable cause" what exactly counts? Like is simply not knowing about estimated taxes enough or do I need some kind of hardship?

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Yes, you'll need to complete Form 2210 with your tax return. You'll check the box indicating you're requesting a waiver and attach a detailed explanation. For reasonable cause, the IRS considers factors like whether this was your first time dealing with estimated taxes, if there was a significant change in your income, and if you made a good faith effort to comply with tax laws. Simply not knowing about estimated taxes might not be enough on its own, but combined with your transition to self-employment and the substantial income increase, you have a stronger case. The IRS tends to be more lenient with first-time issues versus repeated patterns of underpayment.

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Emma Olsen

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Has anyone tried requesting a waiver based on "unusual circumstances"? My situation was that I got laid off from my W-2 job mid-year and started freelancing, which completely threw off my tax withholding situation.

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Lucas Lindsey

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That sounds like a pretty good case for unusual circumstances! My brother-in-law got a waiver after he switched careers mid-year. Make sure you document the layoff date and when you started freelancing. Also worth noting that the significant change in income distribution throughout the year might qualify you for the annualized income installment method (Form 2210 Schedule AI), which could reduce or eliminate the penalty.

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Emma Olsen

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Thanks for the encouragement! I'll definitely document the layoff and transition to freelancing. I wasn't aware of the annualized income installment method but that sounds exactly like what I need since I only started earning freelance income in July. I was feeling really discouraged about the penalty but this gives me hope I might be able to reduce or eliminate it. Going to pull together all my documentation this weekend and complete Form 2210 with the Schedule AI.

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Sophie Duck

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Is anyone familiar with the "prior year tax safe harbor" rule? I heard if you paid at least 100% of your previous year's tax liability, you can avoid the penalty regardless of your current year situation?

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Yes, that's one of the safe harbor rules! If your AGI was under $150,000 on your previous year's return, you need to pay 100% of that year's tax. If your AGI was over $150,000, then you need to pay 110% of the previous year's tax. This is often the easiest way to avoid underpayment penalties if you expect your income to increase. For example, if you owed $10,000 in taxes last year with an AGI under $150k, making sure you pay at least $10,000 through withholding and estimated payments this year would protect you from underpayment penalties even if you actually end up owing $15,000 when you file.

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Amaya Watson

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I went through this exact same situation when I transitioned from W-2 to freelance work two years ago! The income jump and confusion about estimated payments is so common for new self-employed folks. Based on your numbers, you might actually have a few options to reduce or eliminate that $420 penalty: 1. **Annualized Income Method** - Since you mentioned most of your income came from contracts that started last summer, your income wasn't evenly distributed throughout the year. Form 2210 Schedule AI can calculate penalties based on when you actually earned the income, which often results in lower penalties. 2. **Reasonable Cause Waiver** - Your transition to self-employment combined with the significant income increase ($65K to $98K) could qualify. The IRS does consider first-time situations more favorably. 3. **Prior Year Safe Harbor** - Check if your combined withholdings and estimated payments ($12K) equal at least 100% of last year's total tax liability. If so, you might already be protected under the safe harbor rule. I'd definitely recommend completing Form 2210 and requesting a waiver with a detailed explanation of your situation. The worst they can say is no, but given your circumstances, you have a solid case. Document everything about your career transition and income timing - the IRS appreciates thoroughness when reviewing penalty waivers. Don't stress too much about this - it's a learning experience that most of us self-employed folks go through!

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This is such helpful advice! I'm actually in a very similar situation - just started freelancing in October after being laid off from my corporate job. The annualized income method sounds like exactly what I need since I had zero self-employment income for the first 9 months of the year. Quick question about the prior year safe harbor rule - when you say "100% of last year's total tax liability," does that mean the amount I actually owed when I filed, or the total tax shown on my return before any refund? I got a refund last year so I'm not sure which number to use for the calculation. Also, has anyone had success getting a waiver approved just through the mail filing process, or is it better to call the IRS directly to explain the situation? I'm dreading the thought of trying to get through to them on the phone but if it increases my chances I'll do it.

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