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Giovanni Mancini

Can moving expenses be deducted as a business expense for new insurance agency owner?

My buddy is relocating to a different state to become the owner of an insurance agency. He's pretty adamant about trying to deduct all his moving expenses as business expenses - things like application fees for his new home, the moving company costs, and basically anything else he can think of. I tried to explain that business expenses need to be directly tied to the business itself, but he just keeps saying "it doesn't get more direct than this - I'm literally moving for the business!" I'm fairly sure he can't just write off all his personal moving costs as business/trade expenses, but I don't know enough about tax law to give him a solid explanation why. Can someone with more tax knowledge explain this better? I'd like to help him avoid potential issues with the IRS down the road.

While your friend's logic seems reasonable on the surface, the tax code is pretty specific about moving expenses. Since the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, moving expenses are no longer deductible for most taxpayers - even if the move is clearly for work purposes. The only exception is for active-duty military members moving due to military orders. That said, there might be some expenses that could legitimately be business deductions if they're directly related to setting up the business itself, not the personal relocation. For example, if he's moving business equipment or inventory, those specific costs might qualify. But personal moving expenses like home application fees, moving household goods, etc., would not be deductible business expenses. The key distinction is whether the expense is primarily personal in nature (where you live) versus primarily business in nature (costs directly tied to the business operations).

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Dylan Cooper

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Thanks for the insight! Just curious - what if he forms an LLC for his insurance agency and has the LLC pay for his moving expenses? Couldn't he then deduct them as business expenses since the business is paying for them?

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That's a common misconception. Simply having an LLC or other business entity pay for something doesn't automatically make it deductible. The IRS looks at the actual nature of the expense, not just who paid for it. If the LLC pays for personal moving expenses, those would generally be considered a taxable fringe benefit to him as the owner - essentially additional compensation that he would need to report as income. The business could potentially deduct it as compensation, but he would need to recognize it as income, so there's no tax advantage.

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Khalid Howes

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Your friend unfortunately can't deduct moving expenses as a business expense. Prior to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, qualified moving expenses were deductible for many taxpayers, but that deduction was suspended through 2025 for most people except active-duty military. The key concept here is that personal living expenses are generally not deductible, even when they enable you to work in a new location. Moving your household is considered a personal expense, not a business expense, because where you choose to live is a personal decision - even when it's motivated by business reasons. If your friend is becoming an owner (rather than just an employee), there might be some specific business startup costs he can deduct, but the actual moving expenses like movers, application fees for a personal residence, etc., would not qualify as legitimate business expenses on Schedule C.

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Rita Jacobs

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That makes a lot of sense, but I'm still confused. Since he's becoming an owner of the agency, couldn't he argue that the move is a necessary business expense for the agency itself? Or does it still count as personal even though he's moving specifically to run the business?

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Khalid Howes

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Even as a business owner, the IRS views your decision about where to live as a personal choice. The business exists separately from your personal residence. Think of it this way - the insurance agency doesn't care where he sleeps at night, only that he shows up to run it. If he was moving business equipment or inventory for the insurance agency, those specific costs would be business expenses. But moving his personal belongings to a new home is still considered a personal living expense, regardless of his business motivation for relocating.

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One thing your friend should consider - while personal moving expenses aren't deductible anymore federally, some states still allow moving expense deductions on state returns. Depending on which state he's moving to, he might get some tax benefit there. Also, if he's buying real estate for the insurance agency, some of the closing costs could be deductible or amortizable as business expenses. Just make sure he keeps really good records separating business versus personal expenses.

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That's a really interesting point about state taxes - I hadn't considered that angle. Do you know if there's a resource that lists which states still allow moving expense deductions? Also, he's actually renting a commercial space for the agency, not buying. Would any of the initial rental costs (security deposits, first month's rent, etc.) be deductible or treated differently than regular rent?

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Unfortunately I don't have a comprehensive list, but I know New York and California still have some provisions for moving expense deductions under certain circumstances. Your friend should definitely check with the specific state's tax department. For rental costs, the security deposit isn't immediately deductible since it's technically refundable, but the first month's rent and any non-refundable fees would generally be deductible as business expenses. Also, any modifications to the space to make it suitable for the insurance agency (like signage, interior renovations, etc.) could be either deducted or depreciated depending on the nature and cost.

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Demi Hall

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One thing your friend might be able to deduct - if he's setting up a home office in the new location that's exclusively used for business, he might qualify for the home office deduction. That wouldn't cover moving costs, but it could offset some of the ongoing housing expenses. He'd need to be using part of his home regularly and exclusively for business though, and document everything carefully.

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Be super careful with home office deductions though! I got audited because of that a couple years ago. The IRS is really strict about the "exclusive use" requirement. If you use that space for anything personal at all (even occasionally), you can get in trouble.

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Demi Hall

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Good point about being careful. The key is that the space must be used "regularly and exclusively" for business. Taking client meetings there helps establish business use. Taking good photos of the dedicated space and maintaining a visitor log can help document this. Many people are afraid of home office deductions triggering audits, but if you're legitimately using the space for business and can document it properly, you shouldn't avoid a deduction you're entitled to. Just make sure it truly is a dedicated space.

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Kara Yoshida

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Wait, so all moving expenses aren't deductible now? I moved last year for a new job that was 300+ miles away. My tax guy said I could deduct it?? Now I'm worried I'm gonna get audited.

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Khalid Howes

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If you're not active-duty military, then no, moving expenses haven't been deductible since 2018 due to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. This suspension runs through 2025. If your tax preparer deducted moving expenses on your 2024 return and you're not active-duty military, you might want to consider filing an amended return to correct this. It's better to fix it before the IRS notices, as penalties and interest can add up.

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Has your friend considered taking the Section 195 startup cost deduction? The IRS allows you to deduct up to $5,000 of business startup costs in the first year (subject to limitations if total startup costs exceed $50,000), with the remainder amortized over 15 years. Some of his expenses might qualify if they're directly related to investigating or setting up the business.

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Yara Nassar

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Section 195 doesn't cover moving expenses though, right? I thought it was more for things like market research, analyzing potential locations, legal fees for setting up the business structure, etc.

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